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Alternative for Germany has joined France's National Rally and Reform U.K. in becoming the most popular party in its country, according to polls.

A poll Tuesday showed Alternative for Germany — which is under surveillance by the country’s intelligence services over suspected extremism — is now the most favored by voters. The survey by broadcaster RTL put the AfD at 26%, ahead of the ruling Christian Democrats at 24%.

This is a high watermark for the European far right, a once fringe movement whose virulently anti-immigration, anti-Islam and culture-war politics were shunned by the mainstream just a decade ago.

Today, these parties have developed deep ties with President Donald Trump and his Republican allies, who openly cite nationalists such as Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán as inspirations on policy and tactics.

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[-] mrslt@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

This is bewildering. As an American citizen who has no idea how the actual fuck we wound up with another Trump presidency, all I have to say is, if you live in any other country and think the answer is to import this bullshit into your own country, I have no sympathy for you.

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[-] 9point6@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Maybe if the left wing party that got in for the first time in 15 years actually behaved remotely like they should, this would not be happening in the UK

All Kier Starmer has managed to accomplish is vindicating the idiots that say "both sides are the same" and fuelling Reform's populism.

His government's current policy focus areas make Tony fucking Blair look like a socialist by comparison—and he earned the fucking red-tie Tory assessment of his policies.

[-] tinyhammers@feddit.uk 2 points 1 month ago

Yeah. I naively thought that finally there might be some change now the fucking Tories have imploded, but no.

What a monumental turdpile.

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[-] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

vindicating the idiots that say "both sides are the same"

When a “left wing” party is still far right, the people who complain have a point. Yes, there is a difference between extreme right and far right, but in the absence of any meaningful leftist options, people will gravitate toward those they hope will implement actual change, even if the change is worse than every other alternative. This most often tends to be those who want to pull the world even further to the right.

[-] fluxixx@piefed.social 8 points 1 month ago

Man it's the 1920s all over again!

This is so depressing. I remember 10 years ago seeing how the world was changing, I was full of hope for the future, we were slowly becoming more socially accepting of minorities and it seemed to be slightly getting better. Now the progress didn't stop, it fucking reversed and shit is so much worse than it was. This makes me really sad.

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The people pretending they cared about the gays and the minorities ignored people's basic human needs.

That's how we got here.

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[-] Goldmage263@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 month ago

Holy hell, what a comment section. I'm seeing Americans calling out Europeans for being all talk about what America is supposed to do, several people lamenting impending doom, and more blame targeting the ultra wealthy.

Our future needs to be Solarpunk and have class mobility. Do something for your community this week. The answers lie with the people that think differently than you. De-propagandize your neighbor by giving them a shared enemy. Nothing binds people together like conflict. While we're at it, encourage boxing matches between government officials. Mabne then we'll keep younger, highly motivated individuals in office.

[-] oyo@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 month ago

Who the fuck looks at the US right now and thinks "I want that?"

[-] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 month ago
[-] DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 month ago

Vladimir Putin.

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[-] Fizz@lemmy.nz 7 points 1 month ago

Schizo rant about media manipulation

We are isolated from the right wing side of it here but propaganda is dominating most media. Its really sophisticated and resourced by different states and groups.

On mainstream platforms open Nazi imagery and ideas go viral in hyper specific pockets. Its targeted at groups they think will be suspectable then those groups adopt it, wash it and then spread it. At this point its several stages in and most of the work is done by actual people for free.

They compile emotional imagery, videos and stories and blast them in the face of average people and it baits them hook line and sinker. If you can show a 35 year old white women clips of vicious attacks on women from refugees of the course of the year she will internalise it and become radical. These dont have to be recent she just needs to see them regularly. Strip context, make up different narratives for the same clip it doesnt matter.

With the lovely invention of social media and targeted advertising you can get your message put in front of these average people. People dont choose what they see, they just view what comes across their feed.

[-] Vupware@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 month ago

If you want to get a glimpse of the hellscape in which our adversaries are conditioned, I would urge you to peruse the MSN start page in Edge.

I’m forced to use Edge at my job. It’s honestly not bad. It even has a built in PDF editor!

However, every time my eyes glance at that start screen, my blood pressure skyrockets. It’s all blatant propaganda.

The best/worst part? THERE ARE COMMENTS…

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[-] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

the most sublte forms are copaganda, and military propaganda, to assure people that is right to support these people. is it a coincidence that these genre popped in the MSMs around the time of trumps 1st term, not really.

the news are blatantly bias because trumpers actually own these networks. as soon as you hear people quoting fox, or another MSN, they consume that garbage daily.

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[-] ur_ONLEY_freind@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 month ago

WTF is happening in the world rn? Why are all the right wingers taking control? I thought it was just the US going through a crazy-stupid phase

[-] Witchfire@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Billionaires learned how to use the world wide web as an AI powered disinformation network

[-] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Social media. Muskrat, Zucc, Thiel, etc. are high on the fumes of the AI hype, and want that sweet AI money, from the surveillance state using AI.

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[-] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago
[-] MisterOwl@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Nah, the human species is finally being honest. This is what we are. We are shit.

[-] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 month ago

Well, maybe both of you are right, actually. We all suck so much and have been putting off a lot of responsibility for such a long time, and now it's coming back to roost. Kinda nuts to think about, that it works that way.

[-] fluxion@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Are people not paying attention to how destructive these parties are to democracy?

[-] Pipster@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 month ago

Nope and by design from the media to keep them distracted from it. Get people riled up about trans people in toilets and asylum seekers in small boats rather than the rich destroying the planet and causing horrendous inequality in basic living.

[-] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

People want change, they promise change, no matter how bad of a change. That, coupled with a massive propaganda network made up of a few billionaires, and there you have it.

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[-] finix_the_psyker@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 month ago

That's the whole point. Look to the now infamous Jubilee video of the man proudly claiming that he is indeed a fascist and he wants an authoritarian ethnostate.

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[-] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 6 points 1 month ago

This is because our empires declined, since which we’ve hidden behind Uncle Sam’s skirts, and now US hegemony is also beginning to fade. People go to reactionary populism when they’re afraid.

[-] IzzyJ@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I'm afraid of the reacrionaries, they're destroying my country, i fully expect to be genocided; where's my suthoritarian?

[-] drmoose@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Europeans have a legitimate brain rot issue. There's so much information that their little brains get a stack overflow.

Every time I go back to Europe I'm blow away by quality of life improvements as well as the endless whining and just the insanity of the information landscape. It's just tabloid after tabloid creating problems where there aren't any.

[-] TheWeirdo@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago

Thanks Liberalism, preciate it! /s

[-] selkiesidhe@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago

You'd think what's going on in what used to be the US (now a crater of burning shit) would have been a lesson for the rest of you.

Do Not Vote Con If You Don't Want Life To Suck.

[-] Treetrimmer@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago

Stupid euros always talking mad shit about hep they're better than us and turn around and do the same dumb shit

[-] Renohren@lemmy.today 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It's going to be worse than you have. Not the same, living there, seeing the things: Europe is on the verge of going the hardest right wing way again, trumpism will look like amateur far-right compared to what is about to go down here.

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[-] Jiggle_Physics@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago

While it didnt kill the right wing populist parties, it did stall many of their efforts to get their chosen leaders into office. We shall see how the all shakes out.

[-] DrFistington@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Hey UK, they're all being funded by Russia, just like to dipshits who told you brexit was a good idea. Don't fall for it again

[-] omgboom@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 month ago

Narrator: They were going to fall for it again

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[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago

Do not split.

But what is happening in Hong Kong is they come up with a slogan, which is translated as Do Not Split, which is, we know that some people are willing to be confrontational with riot police.

And when they are, that’s going to cost the state in terms of not only resources, but it’s going to cost the state in terms of political capital and support. And we know that there are some people who are not willing to do that. And we are going to abide by the protocol of Do Not Split, which means that we’re not going to criticize them openly, and they’re not going to criticize us openly.

If we’re the pacifists, we’re not going to have them criticize us for being sort of like, I don’t know, limpid or flaccid or not courageous or whatever. And we’re not going to criticize them for being more confrontational. And the thing is that the support is also tacit.

https://sh.itjust.works/post/42969194

[-] knowone@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 month ago

So glad the liberals, both in government and voters, that always lead us to fascism are so invested in shit like "respectability politics", politics "being boring" and being on their supposed intellectual high horse because "emotions are bad, you should never raise your voice when people are starving and being genocided, you're just the same as the far right." But then while saying this just doing mostly what the far right want, pretending it's somehow their idea. It's really working so well to stop them.

But then the liberals would happily throw us into fascism if it meant there was an "I told you so" they could somehow twist out of it to say to the left

[-] MudMan@fedia.io 1 points 1 month ago

I will give you that.

Although I hope you give me that taking this level of dissatisfaction and managing to get negligible gains while the populist far right turns it into an outright lead in the polls is a massive failure of the left.

I am pretty staggered at the absolute incapability to make a dent on this trend by anybody at this point. It takes some hardcore commitment to 20th, if not 19th century politics to suck this badly at this.

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[-] Xatolos@reddthat.com 2 points 1 month ago

I wonder, how can people look at what Trump/MAGA has done to the US and think to themselves "I want THAT for my country".

[-] tankplanker@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

People are fed up with being broke and not able to afford the same things that they or their parents could afford even 20 years ago. Populists do not have to offer policies they can or event intend to implement so they can promise any old shit to the gullible who want change. Wrap that in a reassuring racist package: immigration is out of control, send back the small boats, etc. so that it doesn't smell like communism (not that communism cant be racist) that people confuse even moderate socialist policies for due to decades of western propaganda.

Couple this with the Overton window being moved ever towards the right due to left and center left parties being captured by neoliberals who seek funding and patronage from the Rich, plus decades of the press putting pressure on any left wing policies by enforcing a double standard of left wing policies required to fully document how they will work and be funded, while right wing fantasy policies are waved through without any scrutiny from the majority of press.

Then the right deliberately break any essential service, under fund it and spend it elsewhere, making it time consuming and expensive to fix, leading them to point at their opponents being ineffective, and the press refuse to hold the right to account over this.

This has reduced any coupling between those left of the far right and the general population in terms of policies meeting the requirement. You can start to see why they are gaining ground.

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[-] slaacaa@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago
[-] Ileftreddit@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Time to just burn everything to the ground I guess

[-] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

POC around the world just took a deep breath.

[-] IzzyJ@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Queer folks too

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