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Yes I know I'm behind everyone else!

First the away team spends a long time debating if they should proceed or... step outside for five seconds to call the ship. They ultimately decide that stepping outside for five seconds is not feasible.

But then literally one minute later Ensign Gamble is somehow beamed up. Presumably they must have called the ship to do this? Did they just... leave out the part about the (now obvious and real) danger? Was there a scene where Pike said "ok yeah his eyes are gone but you can keep going"?

Then later in the episode the away team spends a long time talking about trust and friendship while debating if they should walk on an invisible walkway instead of just like, I don't know, tapping it lightly with their toe or throwing a pebble on it first?

The Ensign Gamble B-plot was good and freaky and featured some great acting by everyone involved. But the A plot felt like it was vibe-scripted! I love SNW but come on.

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Hey I’m also behind everyone else too, I’m glad to see a chance to chime in.

I consider this to be the absolute best “red shirt” episode yet. These are my reasons.

Ensign Gamble was introduced in prior episodes; no last-minute-hey-meet-airiam contrivances.

The episode starts with Gamble reading his log, as though he is framing the entire episode and foreshadowing his survival.

The threat was menacing and inscrutable, like an Armos with better presentation. But also sad, Gamble merely picking up that orb shows how fragile life can be even in the space future. He just gets iced for no good reason like Yar, because ultimately space is scary and dangerous.

Dr MBenga suffers more trauma and loss, as he should. Every redshirt was probably somebody’s protege and certainly leaves void we rarely get to see ( eg TNG Lower Decks). Closest runner up is Trip getting all tore up over ENT casualties.

This is how to kill an away team member and have me care about it.

[-] Kirk@startrek.website 2 points 16 hours ago

I agree the Gamble plot was great and the actor nailed it.

[-] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago

gets iced for no good reason like Yar

Hey, now. There was a reason, it was just off-cam. 😜

[-] FriendOfDeSoto@startrek.website 9 points 2 days ago

I think "vibe scripted" is harsh. The writers were bumping against the restriction that they need

spoilerChapel blood next to anybody when they enter or exit the place. That's why the alien buys it. Scaredy pants tries to go out on his own and gets fried. They wanted to avoid another entrance/exit on screen to keep us guessing how this Star Trek Inception works.

It's a version of "commander, you better take a look at this." It keeps the suspense up for the audience as Riker saunters over, maneuvering over multiple chairs, to take a look at the corpse of the mortal enemy of the federation. In a real military, Worf would say something like "heads up, Romulan casualties on the premise, everybody be on the lookout." That's to prevent the commander or anybody else from getting shot by a possible half-dead Rom in the rubble. But that's not great television. It's just script writing 101.

[-] Kirk@startrek.website 2 points 19 hours ago

They wanted to avoid another entrance/exit on screen to keep us guessing how this Star Trek Inception works.

I understand the reasoning from a suspense perspective but manufactured suspense does not feel suspenseful. Think about it: why show the entire long debate about leaving or not if none of them actually care? The only thing that makes sense is that once they understood the danger was real there was an off-camera conversation with Pike or Una wherein Pike or Una presumably told them that the danger was acceptable and to proceed. But if we accept that the conversation happened off-camera, then the presence of the debate scene doesn't make sense from a storytelling standpoint.

[-] FriendOfDeSoto@startrek.website 1 points 10 hours ago

Think about it

I have done that. I'm just more forgiving than you. They may have shot the go ahead scene and cut it for an unrelated reason. They may have decided not to want to get Romijn or Mount do another ADR session, which costs money. The Paramount/Skydance merger loomed heavily over this season's production with tight budgets and uncertainty for the future. I'm not saying the episode is perfectly put together. I guess what I am saying is that you are hung up on one detail here. I suggest you give it the Elsa treatment.

This is my perspective: this is a silly show. They did a musical episode, which I really didn't like. They did a documentary episode, which I could've done without. I feel Babylon 5 did a much better job with this kind of meta TV episode. They took the established "space dad" Pike character and made him unsure and hesitant this season and I don't know why. They are taking a soap approach to relationships within the show. The show is a dead man walking with its end after 5 more episodes already decided. All new Trek shows have already been axed and I'm not optimistic about the success of Academy. S31... With all of this going on in the background I choose to smile that SNW exists and not cry because the stories are wonky here or there.

[-] Kirk@startrek.website 0 points 9 hours ago

Yeah like I said: "vibes"

I liked that episode quite a lot, but it definitely coasts on pure vibes in places.

[-] lordnikon@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

It was a D&D one shot strong mad mage energy.

What I find particularly egregious in their decision making is that after Gamble lost his eyes, Beto is still hanging around. Like, helloooo? Film making student that has 0 training in anything remotely related to this, get back onto that ship IMMEDIATELY.

[-] ILikeTraaaains@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

I didn’t questioned that, I saw him like those cameramen that were tasked to document the front lines during the WWII, or the journalists that go to the current conflicts.

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