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[-] Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca 22 points 2 days ago

"The bottom line is this: Canada Post is effectively insolvent," Lightbound said earlier Thursday.

"It provides an essential service to Canadians, and in particular to rural, remote and Indigenous communities, and Canadians are rightfully attached to it and want it saved. However, repeated bailouts from the federal government are not the solution."

FFS it's a service not a business; profit is not the goal. Paying bills for services isn't 'bailing out' your service provider, it's paying for what you've used.

Mail transit is essential for a modern civilization, and it's not something that should be privately controlled. Having private options is fine, but there should ALWAYS be a federal mail service.

[-] pedz@lemmy.ca 15 points 2 days ago

Seeing how we also do this with public transit, hospitals, libraries and other public services, this point of view is disappointing and unfortunately very prevalent. The only thing where we can dump billions without ever asking if it's profitable, is roads. We can expropriate and build a 4 lane highway extension in the middle of a corn field for a little half a billion, multiple times, but funding hospitals, schools, public transit, clean water, the mail... ugh, such money pits!

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[-] Formfiller@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

It’s crazy how governments across the world are failing their citizens but seem to have unlimited money for corruption

[-] Whitebrow@lemmy.world 65 points 2 days ago

Good. Eliminating all door to door deliveries is not the answer and whoever came up with that rationale needs to removed immediately.

And again, for the people in the back: Canada post is a service. It doesn’t make money. It costs money. Same way public healthcare does.

Why are they trying to spin it as a business that needs to generate profit or undertake cost cutting measures to exist and continue providing services that are still being widely used?

[-] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago

Because lots of rich people froth at the mount trying to get in on the privatization of a public service.

[-] LeFantome@programming.dev 5 points 2 days ago

You don’t have to spin it as a business to say that evolving it to reflect reality makes sense. It is not exactly radical to say everybody should get the same level of service that the majority of us get today.

Fewer than 25% of Canadians have door to door delivery. Almost everybody gets delivery to a private mailbox very close to their house. Door to door delivery is down to under 4 million addresses. This is a 10 year plan to finish that transition. Not exactly aggressive.

You can still get delivery to your door if you are disabled.

Regardless of if it is a a business or an essential service, we should be honest about it. We used to send 5 times as much mail when we were fewer people. Why do we have to ignore that?

If 75% of us (like me) are totally fine with super mailboxes, I think the rest can handle it. I know that I could get away with delivery 3 times a week as well. In 2030, how time sensitive is something coming through regular mail. Let’s be real. I could wait one more day.

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[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Looking at the loss numbers cited since 2018 come down to $20-30 per Canadian per year tops. This whole hullabaloo, erosion of confidence, economic disruption and more are over that. Mail and parcel delivery is basic economic infrastructure today. Having a public, reliable delivery service that covers all of Canada, that's run below cost, is an economic enabler for Canadian businesses, like water, electricity and roads. I can't believe we're doing what we're doing right now, especially for a government that talks about boosting Canada's economy. Ridiculous.

E: I'm beginning to believe that this isn't about incompetence mismanagement but perhaps willful mismanagement on the part of CP's exec layer who perhaps see higher compensation on the horizon, should CP be privatized. Of course at the expense of everyone else, workers, businesses and individual Canadians.

[-] BCBoy911@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Support to these workers striking - Mark Carney promised he wouldn't do austerity like Pollievre and hes blatantly breaking that promise with funding cuts for Canada Post. If there's a crisis at Canada Post its because they need to be funded, not have working hours cut in the name of austerity.

[-] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 28 points 2 days ago

Want to know how to get Canada Post back on its feet, financially? Ban private delivery services.

[-] ieGod@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

They don't need to turn a profit but the costs need to be financially sustainable. I don't think banning competition is a good move, that's unnecessary. The question should be posed to Canadians at large: what is CP's services worth to us, as a nation? Lemmy's views will certainly be skewed but we need an honest holistic view. Based on @GodofLies@lemmy.ca calculation in this thread I'm cool with the $50 a year 'fee', but that will certainly grow with their losses and they do need capital investment to improve/modernize aspects of the service.

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...or at the very minimum crack down on the 'independent contractor' nonsense. Make Amazon pay for UI, vacation, healthcare, car insurance, for all its delivery drivers. Our politicians allow too many scams, and it hurts everyone.

[-] mrdown@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

Compete , optimize operation cost, and don't listen to trump asking to spend 5% on NATO

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[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 22 points 2 days ago

Stand with the posties and send a message to this government that siding with corporations instead of labour won't end well.

[-] yardy_sardley@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 days ago

I'm curious to see just how quickly Hajdu will reach for that trusty section 107.

Whenever it happens, we're all in for some pure cinema as the feds realize they've already spent the last magic bullet.

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[-] aarch0x40@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

What changed for 2018 to turn gains to losses?

[-] GodofLies@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 days ago

I think the angle people aren't looking at more is the financial side of things and actually calculating it out. [https://www.canadapost-postescanada.ca/cpc/en/our-company/financial-and-sustainability-reports/2024-annual-report/our-financial-picture.page](Canada Post's Financials - See the first chart yourselves)

So it seems like 2018 they invested a little and the loss reduced. COVID happened so the big loss there isn't surprising. However, in between the reduced service, someone ate their lunch or their upper management / c-suite / board no longer has the qualifications to lead it's own team. Change the management already.

The monetary part of how much this subscription to Canada Post is going to be..: 841 million/41 million (current Canadian population) ~= $20.51 cents (rough math of ~$52.56 dollars per household based on 16 million addresses in Canada Post's system) Canadian to have delivery/mailbox/post offices/parcel pickups. Now go compare the rates that Canada Post offers versus FedDex, DHL etc. Ask yourself, would you still use Canada Post?

So yeah, let's all be outraged about $52.56 dollars for this service.

[-] group_hug@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 days ago

Federal government is spending 13 billion on a VW battery plant in St Thomas, Ontario

That's 13 billion dollars / 41.million Canadians = $317 per Canadian

This is projected to employ 3000 people. Canada Post employs 62,300 people.

Canada post employs 21 X as many people as the VW plant hopes too.

CP could lose 1 billion a year for 273 years before it would cost the Canadian tax payer as much per job as the VW plant workers do. And that is if the VW plant stays on target and doesn't end up like North Volt

I don't know what the path forward for Canada Post is but the government narrative is whack. If the government is trying to save money why are they spending so much for 3000 jobs and celebrating that as a huge win?

It seems like they don't value workers or Canadians just corporate profits at the Canadian tax payers expense.

We should expect more from our government.

[-] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago

The $13B was production based tax credits. No one explains how government funding works, or the milestones.

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