Why the fuck is our supposedly liberal government giving standard ovations to conservative pundits? What do they hope to accomplish by pushing this rhetoric? Right wingers will never see this and think “wow maybe I’ll vote liberal next election” you fucking idiots. I hate everything.
That's cause our liberals have been moving further right. Carney himself is pretty much an old school conservative.
15-20 years ago, Carney's platform would be PC, and Polieverre's failed platform would have been a joke.
Yup. Exactly. And ndp is just in the corner shitting the bed
Maybe if all the “strategic voters” had even a little bit of a spine. “I prefer the NDP but I need to vote NDP! Hey, why does the NDP not get any support?!”
How many Canadians flatly refuse to vote for what they believe while being mad that the government isn’t reading their minds? We aggressively signal that we do not want the NDP and then get mad that they aren’t the thing we keep showing them that we do not want. Get a clue.
Sorry I'm a xis make the current NDP doesn't want me there is no fucking way I'm voting for them.
I think you mean “cis male” and holy fuck, brother, you need to get out of whatever nasty echo-chamber you’re in. I’m a cis male, I’m even tall, strong, white, and from a pretty well-off family, and yet I don’t feel the least bit alienated by them. Hell, I once had a firearms license and I drive a sportscar and motorcycles and shit, and I repair things with my own hands. And yet I feel perfectly fine and secure with the NDP platform and messaging. I’m privileged as hell, and I don’t mind losing some of my undeserved advantage so that those without such a headstart can have a better chance. The best part is that I still benefit from those policies, just not directly. When the floor is raised we all do better.
So I guess I’m just curious as to why you would think that they don’t want you.
If this is such a systemic problem that it alters elections, the problem is with the system.
The individuals are doing a risk/benefit assessment at a micro level. It is more damaging for them to have a conservative government than it is for them to have a liberal government and that may weigh more to them than the incredibly slim possibility of having an ndp government.
You cant penalize people for picking what is in their best interest. And they can still be pissed off that the best choice they had still led to a shitty outcome.
If you want something different, the system needs to change.
100% that we need reform, something the Liberals will not give us.
At some point though we have to admit that our system is less one rigged for a specific party at it’s core and more one that benefits the most established party at the time. If we all voted for a different party they would ultimately win. A huge reason why people say they won’t vote NDP is because they claim that the party “doesn’t have a chance”. If they wanted that party to win_before_ voting for them then we deserve everything we get because as a population we’re too fucking stupid for any other outcome.
Also all strategic voting does here is ratchet everything to the right and raises the stake for the following election. We decided to let it go for a while and now all we really have is the center-right and far-right. Congrats to every spineless coward who got us here and screamed loud and clear that what they want to see more of is pathetic corporate centrism.
Again, they aren't spineless cowards when their choices are "evil" and "pretty shitty." They are voting for what is best for them.
You can say that they have other choices, but as individuals, they really do not. Any other vote is essentially a vote for "evil"
Look what happened down south. You think those people who voted for Jill Stein are happy that trump got in?
The States have a two-party system and because in their primaries they completely fuck it up every time, including plenty of corruption from the democratic party itself, they got to where they are. This is what we need to avoid, but we’re too busy looking at our feet as we walk towards a similar fate.
That said, we aren’t in the US, we’re in Canada, in case you weren’t aware. Our biggest issue is that the NDP can get half the votes that the Liberals got in 2019 and more than them in 2021 yet we see seat splits of 157 to 24 and 160 to 25. Flip your example around, and can you imagine how many people who voted “strategically” helped cause their ridings to lose out on NDP candidates? People claim they have no chance as if the country doesn’t want them but millions upon millions do. And then today we’re still all fucking miserable, a shithead banker is in charge, and the one party that fought for us(and actually got shit done when they put a gun to the Liberals with the coalition) lost pretty much everything.
We must really hate ourselves, to constantly fall for this bullshit. Conservatives AND Liberals are suffocating this country; do you want to let it die while pretending you’re doing the right thing or do want to actually do the bare fucking minimum and vote for the party whose platform actually aligns with your views?
Propaganda works, y’all. It’s serious.
Why are my tax dollars being used to give a racist, bigot, fascist and all around waste of human life a standing ovation?
This is utterly ridiculous to a country as diverse as Canada that I would think overwhelmingly disagrees with the hate Kirk spewed out of his filthy pie hole.
They want to mention that political views shouldn’t turn violent, great. But don’t waste my money on mourning an absolutely horrific person with a standing ovation. This pathetic human doesn’t deserve anything except that grave he’s now being dumped into.
Read the article, title is clickbait.
They could have made the speech without mentioning him or mentioning others. How come no speech when two Democrats politicians shot? How come only when some conservative asshole who isn't even a politician?
can we stop applauding nazis in parliment for gods sake.
I hope somebody is keeping a list of all these people because it's straight up a list of fascists.
The liberals did not give a standing ovation to charlie kirk. It was performative political theatre from the cons. A conservative MP made a statement praising kirk, framing kirk as a beacon of family values. The liberals could rise to support those values or remain sitting and be accused of supporting political violence. It was a no win situation set up by the cons. The next day the libs had a "standing ovation". If you are outraged by the story ask yourself who wins from your outrage.
If I hear anyone ranting about family/traditional values Im just going to cut to the chase and assume you consume Russian origin propaganda by the barrel-load. Nobody pushes that stuff harder than them. No one stands to gain from the chaos it creates in the west, more than them.
Why the F does anyone in Canada think they need to capitulate to the absolute worst of America? This is beyond pathetic.
This is fucking embarrassing.
You cannot be a good person and a nazi, you are still a nazi.
Of course he isn't a good person, he is a fucking Nazi and deserved what he got
I think the point is that just about everybody who thinks this was a good guy is like a Christian; they've only been fed the positive parts and blurps, and are wholly ignorant of the dark side of the subject because they were never shown what it really was about
I think we need to continue posting his real messages
What is with all this 'deserved what he got' insanity? I know it's the internet and all, but calm down. He was a person, flawed just like the rest of us. He had views that many of us found disagreeable, just like everyone else.
Black people are upset that he died, gay people are upset that he died, trans people are upset that he died; why? Because he wasn't some evil extremist calling for violence. He was a moderate and calling for debate.
Where is all this hate towards Kirk coming from? And please don't cherry pick a handful of out of context quotes. There are thousands of hours of video discrediting all these random quotes people are using to showcase his villainy.
Misleading title. Yes, Charlie Kirk's assassination sparked a conversation about the importance of free speech and disavowing political violence. The standing ovation was not for Charlie, but for the outcome of that speech.
Still, you'd think they'd at least TRY to be reasonable with the optics of the conversation.
But isn't what Kirk did constitute as hate speech here in Canada. We don't have freedom of speech, we have freedom of expression.
He didn't deserve to die but he was toxic in every sense of the word.
There was two mentions of Charlie Kirk, in a speech that I'd say was focused on condemning political violence, in a mostly non-partisan way. I'd like to think that in Canada we're above using weapons to prove a point. If we need to beat back the intolerant we'll do it in an enormous show of non-violent force like Torontonians just did at Christie Pits.
Anyway the speech is what I'd expect from a Conservative, but it's nuanced enough that I get behind the primary message being conveyed.
That all said, those celebrating Kirk's death are as much simply expressing themselves as Charlie Kirk was, when he was denigrating immigrants and those that didn't fit the ideal Aryan description
And we should also publicly denounce people threatening journalists and professionals like Rachel Gilmore, who had been simply lamenting the appetite for escalation that would come from those seeking retribution, but this was wildly interpreted as a celebration and now is facing a constant barrage of death threats. Which only proved her point btw.
Does anyone know what's going on in this context? Is this a part of the trade negotiations or something?
It’s part of Carney and the shitlibs sucking the US and Trump off, elbows down you might say. Capitulation, praise and acquiescence is their modus operandi. They have no intention of standing up for Canada, it’s all been lies.
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