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Israel trying to pass the hospital bombing off as Palestine doing it is utterly disgusting and guarantees Netanyahu a spot in the deepest pit of Hell for all eternity, obviously, but do not forget that

a) the only reason why Westerners will believe it is because they want to believe it - they are not being brainwashed and this is not some masterful propaganda being weaved around us to turn kind-hearted people into monsters,

b) no Westerner opinions matter at all. In most Western countries there is no real anti-Israel option to vote for even if they did realize that Israel was a giant factory for crimes against humanity, and Westerners protesting against things in general almost never achieves anything (tens of millions protested for BLM in 2020 and not only did the situation not change, it got worse), and

c) the people whose opinions do matter (both the people in the region, and the leaders who aren't already Zionist compradors) already know that Israel is full of shit and that they just murdered nearly a thousand civilians in a single bomb attack.

It is despair-inducing to think that the genocidal Zionist entity is so brazenly, so smugly getting away with bullshitting this away into a cloud of confusion, as they release their metaphorical squid ink just like they did with the stupid babies story, but the propaganda and the media narrative that they are creating isn't what matters. It cannot address the fundamental contradictions ripping the country, the region, and the world apart any more than masterfully-applied makeup can fix a stab wound. It can merely obfuscate.


If you have evidence of Israeli crimes and atrocities that you wish to preserve, there is a thread here in which to do so.


Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

UNRWA daily-ish reports on Israel's destruction and siege of Gaza and the West Bank.

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account. Alt here.
English-language twitter account that collates news (and has automated posting when the person running it goes to sleep).
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis.

English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.

Various sources that are covering the Ukraine conflict are also covering the one in Palestine, like Rybar.


The Country of the Week is still Palestine! Feel free to chime in with books, essays, longform articles, even stories and anecdotes or rants.


Here is the map of the Ukraine conflict, courtesy of Wikipedia.

The weekly update isn't coming because I'm sick and too focussed on the collapse of the Zionist entity.

Links and Stuff


The bulletins site is down.

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists

Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Add to the above list if you can.


Resources For Understanding The War


Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.

Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.


Telegram Channels

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

Pro-Russian

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.

https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.

https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.

https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.

https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine

Almost every Western media outlet.

https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


Last week's discussion post.


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[-] Parsani@hexbear.net 48 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

From VC ghoul Marc Andreesen's "manifesto"

wonder-who-thats-for

Its completely deranged, just pure unadulterated Chicago School drivel: https://pmarca.substack.com/p/the-techno-optimist-manifesto

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[-] Tervell@hexbear.net 48 points 1 year ago

Rush by west to back Israel erodes developing countries’ support for Ukraine (archived)

Western support for Israel’s assault on Gaza has poisoned efforts to build consensus with significant developing countries on condemning Russia’s war against Ukraine, officials and diplomats have warned.

That had eroded efforts since Russia’s 2022 invasion of Ukraine to build consensus with leading states in the so-called Global South — such as India, Brazil and South Africa — on the need to uphold a global rules-based order, said more than a dozen western officials.

rules-based "order" of letting the Israelis carry out a genocide, and even actively aiding them militarily soviet-hmm

The backlash had solidified entrenched positions in the developing world on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, officials said. They warned that this could derail future diplomatic efforts on Ukraine. “We have definitely lost the battle in the Global South,” said one senior G7 diplomat. “All the work we have done with the Global South [over Ukraine] has been lost . . . Forget about rules, forget about world order. They won’t ever listen to us again.”

lol. lmao

“What we said about Ukraine has to apply to Gaza. Otherwise we lose all our credibility,” the senior G7 diplomat added. “The Brazilians, the South Africans, the Indonesians: why should they ever believe what we say about human rights?”

well, they fucking shouldn't believe you obviously, and no-one should have believed you in the first place

Arab states, particularly Jordan and Egypt, have pressed western officials to harden their tone on protecting Gaza’s civilians. “If you describe cutting off water, food and electricity in Ukraine as a war crime, then you should say the same thing about Gaza,” said one Arab official.

“What New Delhi, Jakarta and Brasília want to see is a common position on these issues, and consistency. And if they don’t see that . . . then on the major global issues there’s a certain danger EU, G7, Nato will not be taken seriously,” said Jaap de Hoop Scheffer, former Nato secretary-general.

Russia’s proposed UN Security Council resolution garnered support from only four countries — China, the United Arab Emirates, Mozambique and Gabon — but many western diplomats worry that an amended Russian resolution could gain the nine votes required to pass. The US, UK or France might then veto it, handing Moscow a propaganda victory.

“We have to prevent Russia . . . supported by the Chinese . . . taking the initiative to use this against us,” said a senior western diplomat. “There’s a risk that at the next vote in the [UN] General Assembly on supporting Ukraine, we’ll see a big explosion in the number of abstentions.”

“Russia has a huge stake in prolonging this conflict, given the distraction value . . . and the use in shifting the global narrative,” said one western foreign minister.

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[-] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 48 points 1 year ago

babe, wake up, Israel's brought ISIS back

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[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 48 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

CNN's coverage of the hospital bombing has been terrible. If they start an hour with that - I stop watching. The worst anchor has been Erin Burnett. I couldn't figure out how to explain her attitude until a minute ago. Not only has she sounded like an IDF spokesperson - she's got the same tone of somebody complaining to the manager.

"This is the worst meal I ever had. With my husband I was discussing how Israel and the US have show the world Hamas did the bombing. Because of course they did. But I could tell the waiters and even the busboy didn't agree."

The manager: "Staff actually spoke to you about this?"

"When they were bringing out the food or taking away dishes - I could just tell they were foolish, they didn't understand the situation, and they are terrible people. They didn't actually say anything but I think you should fire them all."

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Edit

I had a look at her Wikipedia page.

Shortly after joining CNN, Burnett aired an October 4, 2011 segment on the Occupy Wall Street protests titled "Seriously?" She was accused by journalism watchdog group Fairness & Accuracy in Reporting (FAIR) of misrepresenting facts about protesters. Journalist Glenn Greenwald reacted in a Salon article detailing bias in Burnett's reporting, which he attributed to her previous work experience on Wall Street as well as her partner's employment with Citigroup.

She's not worth googling but I bet there's lots stories of this sort of stuff. She couldn't say "Seriously?" about a bombing but I bet she sure wanted to.

[-] JuryNullification@hexbear.net 47 points 1 year ago

I hope when the nukes fly that one explodes directly above me.

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[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 47 points 1 year ago

Increased alert status at the US Embassy in Baghdad

Where's that meme with the grim reaper knocking on doors

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[-] Kaplya@hexbear.net 47 points 1 year ago

Total number of dead children in Gaza since October 7, 2023 (excluding the most recent hospital bombing): >1000 (Electronic Intifada)

Total number of dead children in Ukraine since February 24, 2022: 555 (UN OHCHR)

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[-] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 47 points 1 year ago

If a ground invasion of Gaza is imminent, how likely do you think the IOF will resort to chemical warfare in order to flush out militants from their tunnels? I really don't see them having the courage to go to the tunnels themselves, and bombs can only do so much.

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[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 47 points 1 year ago

Head of the Israeli National Security Council: If our enemies intervene because of the war on Gaza, the United States will intervene against them

https://fxtwitter.com/SkyNewsArabia_B/status/1714274624576614849

[-] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 47 points 1 year ago

Genocide Joe is ready and awaiting Bibi's orders.

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[-] thirtymilliondeadfish@hexbear.net 47 points 1 year ago

Axis of Resistance steps up its activities following Abu Obeida's speech in which he states,

"We call on the masses of our nation everywhere to defend their dignity and Al-Aqsa."

⦿ 🇮🇶 Iraqi resistance targets US military base Ain al-Asad. Meanwhile, trucks filled with Iraqis head for the Iraqi-Jordanian border.

⦿ 🇸🇾 Drone attack on US occupation base in Al-Tanf, in southern Syria, explosions sound in Conoco gas field in Deir Ezzor, where US occupation forces are stationed.

⦿ 🇾🇪 USS Carney intercepts missiles in the Red Sea off the coast of Yemen.

⦿ 🇱🇧 Hezbollah targets several Israeli military positions across the border.

⦿ 🇵🇸 Resistance in Gaza launches barrage of rockets toward Tel Aviv, while resistance in Nour Shams refugee camp in the occupied West Bank city of Tulkarem continues to confront invading Israeli forces — in a violent raid that has been ongoing for 20 hours.

https://t.me/thecradlemedia/8881

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[-] Barabas@hexbear.net 47 points 1 year ago

Keep on seeing the Israeli Foreign Ministers statement about how the territory of Gaza will decrease played off as "He doesn't say ALL of Gaza, so it is fine and good actually. How dare you spread fake news by saying they intend to annex Gaza?".

And then they'll go on to chide the Palestinians for not wanting to leave when they're clearly not going to be allowed to return.

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[-] Jenniferr@hexbear.net 47 points 1 year ago

Israel bombed that hospital correct? I can't imagine that a hamas rocket did that much damage tbh

[-] BynarsAreOk@hexbear.net 47 points 1 year ago

Yes the Al Jazeera investigation is pretty definitive.

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[-] Rojo27@hexbear.net 47 points 1 year ago

I just love how none of the newscasts I've seen so far mention the phrase "cease responsibility for life" when talking about Israel's plans after they execute their operation. Also haven't looked into it, but one mentioned that supposedly they want the Arab League and the UN to govern Gaza... love how the Middle East's beacon of democracy wants a bunch of unelected outsiders to be the ones to govern after they get rid of the democratically elected government of Gaza.

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 47 points 1 year ago

Full Hezbollah statement is a bit better than the quote of it that was snipped out earlier.

🟡🟢 Hezbollah:

In the name of the Almighty.

Humanity bows its forehead at the horrific and brutal crime committed by the zionist murder and criminal gangs in the Al-Maamadani Hospital in Gaza, which claimed the lives of hundreds of innocent martyrs.

This massacre is a continuation of the massacres that preceded it, from the massacres since the establishment of this criminal, usurping entity in Deir Yassin, Houla, Sabra and Shatila all the way to the massacres of Qana and others over the years of the hateful occupation, revealing the true criminal face of this entity and its sponsor, the greatest Satan and criminal: the United States of America. The U.S. bears direct and full responsibility for this massacre and for all crimes committed by the zionist enemy.

Merely issuing statements of condemnation and denunciation are no longer sufficient. We call on the peoples of our Arab and Islamic nation to take immediate action in the streets and squares to express intense anger and put pressure on governments and states wherever they are.

International and regional organizations must take immediate action against the massacres and genocide of the oppressed Palestinian people and the implementation of forced displacement under the weight of massacres, terrorism, and murder. ‏

Let tomorrow, Wednesday, be a day of unprecedented anger against the enemy and its crimes and against Biden’s visit to the zionist entity to cover and protect this criminal entity.

Let the message be clear that this is a day that comes after it on the path of resistance, victory, and retaliation for the oppressed against the oppressor.

Indeed, Allah is capable of granting them victory.

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[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 47 points 1 year ago

Ongoing fighting in multiple locations in the West Bank between Israeli raids and local resistance.

Video is Nur Shams in Tulkarm https://streamable.com/bo8dn3

Aqabat Jaber camp in Jericho https://streamable.com/oe2661

Others but no video.

[-] zephyreks@hexbear.net 47 points 1 year ago
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[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 47 points 1 year ago

Hamas Will Publish 'Evidence' Of Israel's Involvement In Gaza Hospital Attack

The group claim they will present proof of Israel's culpability to international bodies.

[-] zephyreks@hexbear.net 47 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Cards are falling in China's supercomputing game and I think Huawei is winning. Bester was initially contracted to build a NVIDIA supercomputer: https://www.yicaiglobal.com/news/china-bester-wins-usd247-million-ai-deal-for-supercomputing-center

Recent sanctions make that impossible and they've now switched to Huawei's platform (which, if anyone has actually used, is a little rough around the edges but otherwise viable). This is really good for Huawei, because they now have a completely captive market that they can use to pitch accelerators like Ascend to. Absolutely massive win for Huawei.

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 47 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Video outside the hospital. Content warning: A lot of bodies

Seriously don't look if that's a problem for you. Only posting because this is just slightly fucking major and people might push it around to shock some fucking sense into the libs.

https://streamable.com/w349pf

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[-] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 47 points 1 year ago

U.S. State Dept issues "worldwide caution" travel alert.

Biden to address the nation later today.

The head of the Israeli Ministry of Defense told the military at the border that an order to enter the Gaza Strip could “soon” follow - media.

Israel has warned 24 hospitals in Gaza to evacuate, saying they will be bombed - Gaza Ministry of Health

Israel is evacuating its diplomatic missions throughout the Middle East.

Israel announced the evacuation of its diplomats from Turkey for security reasons.

Israel is committing crimes against humanity in Gaza, there is a risk of genocide - UN experts

They turned away from the speech of the US Ambassador at the human rights meeting in Geneva. People attending the human rights summit in Geneva turned away from Washington's full support for the crimes of the Zionist regime during a speech by that country's ambassador.

The American C-17 Globemaster III transporter delivered to Israel the first batch of MDT David armored vehicles, intended to replace those lost during the battles with Hamas in the early days of the invasion.

ABC News reports Israel has received the green light to invade the Gaza Strip.

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[-] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 47 points 1 year ago

Biden says he used data "shown by my defense department" to back up claims Israel did not strike Gaza hospital

US President Joe Biden said he cited “the data I was shown by my defense department,” when asked Wednesday what made him confident Israelis weren’t behind the hospital blast in Gaza City that Palestinian officials say left hundreds dead overnight.

It comes after Biden's comments on the explosion earlier Wednesday, when he said, “It appears as though it was done by the other team,” during a meeting with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

???

US President Biden to Israelis: "While you feel that rage, don't be consumed by it"

US President Joe Biden in an address in Tel Aviv on Wednesday lamented the loss of life during the October 7 attacks in Israel by Hamas. But he also cautioned Israelis that while they may feel rage, they should not be consumed by it.

"I caution this. While you feel that rage, don't be consumed by it. After 9/11, we were enraged in the United States. While we sought justice and got justice, we also made mistakes," he said.

Wartime decisions are "never clear or easy," he said.

"There's always cost. But it requires being deliberate. It requires asking very hard questions. It requires clarity about the objectives and an honest assessment about whether the path you're on will achieve those objectives," he added.

Biden also stressed that the "majority" of Palestinians are not with Hamas.

"The vast majority of Palestinians are not Hamas. Hamas does not represent the Palestinian people," he said.

"Hamas uses innocents, innocent families in Gaza as human shields, putting their command centers, their weapons and the communications tunnels in residential areas. The Palestinian people are suffering greatly as well," he added.

He also remarked on Tuesday's hospital blast in Gaza City, saying, "We mourn the loss of innocent Palestinian lives like the entire world."

doubt

"The United States unequivocally stands for the protection of civilian life during conflict. And I grieve, I truly grieve for the families who were killed or wounded by this tragedy," he added.

Biden says Israel has agreed to allow humanitarian aid to enter Gaza

doubt

US President Joe Biden said Israel has agreed humanitarian assistance can cross into Gaza from Egypt, warning that any attempts by Hamas to steal the aid would illustrate it has "no concern for the welfare of the Palestinian people."

The US "unequivocally stands for the protection of civilian life during conflict," Biden said during remarks in Tel Aviv, adding, "People of Gaza need food, water, medicine, shelter."

"Today I asked the Israeli cabinet, who I met with for some time this morning, to agree to the delivery of life-saving humanitarian assistance to civilians in Gaza, based on the understanding that there will be inspections and that the aid should go to civilians and not to Hamas," Biden said.

Biden urges two-state solution to support peace

US President Joe Biden in a Wednesday address in Tel Aviv said he supports the two-state solution in the pursuit of peace.

"Nations of conscience like the United States and Israel are not measured solely by the example of power. We are measured by the power of our example, and that's why as hard as it is, we must keep pursuing peace. We must keep pursuing a path so that Israel and the Palestinian people can both live safely and securely in dignity and in peace," he said.

"For me, that means a two-state solution," he added. "We must keep working for Israel's greater integration with its neighbors. These attacks have only strengthened my commitment and determination and my will to get that done."

MOTHERFUCKER, if you truly supported this idea then force Israel to accept it. But that will never happen.

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[-] Kaputnik@hexbear.net 47 points 1 year ago

I don't know if this was already mentioned or if it got lost in the shuffle of all the other news going on, but on October 10th a deal for the creation of the new Slovak government was announced. The deal includes the 2 Social Democratic parties SMER-SD and HLAS-SD which as you may remember supported lowering Slovakian commitments to Ukraine and opposed the current western consensus on the war. To form government though the parties have formed a coalition with SNS, a neo-fascist party that has praised Nazi aligned leader Josef Tiso and advocated for the killings of Roma and Hungarians in Slovakia. Once again we see that Social Democrats are the left wing of fascism

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[-] edge@hexbear.net 47 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Disappointed we won't know who the next Speaker candidate is until Tuesday. This shitshow has been fun to watch. Even better than the previous one.

Somebody voted Boehner in one of the rounds. Great callback.

We had another rep threaten to vote Trump, but that was before Jordan was out so that's probably not going anywhere unfortunately.

A big question: can they beat January's 15 ballots?

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[-] AtomPunk@hexbear.net 47 points 1 year ago

Has there ever been a case of retaliation against people who donate to leftist causes (ex: bail for BLM protestors)? The least I could do was donate to a group pledging medical aid to Palestine, as I feel useless otherwise. My only worry is retaliation from bloodthirsty Israel supporters; even the liberals are baying for blood, and sending medical aid to Palestinians would put donors in their crosshairs.

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