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[-] Gork@lemm.ee 479 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

15 years in prison for "endangering a fetus"? Then giving birth only for that child to not have a mommy during childhood, adolescence, and teenage years?

And this is considered good policy by those who create these laws?

wtf

[-] kibiz0r@lemmy.world 188 points 1 year ago

The cruelty is the point. The well-being of the fetus is the excuse.

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[-] stolid_agnostic@lemmy.ml 128 points 1 year ago

This is about forcing women to live in fear and under control of the patriarchy.

[-] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 48 points 1 year ago

And punishing women for having sex.

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[-] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 104 points 1 year ago

conservatives dont create logical policies. there is absolutely nothing logical about their 'platform'... except maybe 'brainwash masses to accumulate wealth'

[-] grue@lemmy.world 77 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The conservatives' platform is entirely logical:

  1. Removing education, opportunities, and social safety nets keeps people ignorant, poor, and vulnerable.

  2. Without government willing to help, people in need are forced to turn to the church.

  3. Religion breeds more conservatives.

(Forced-birth polices not only take step #3 literally, but also enhance step #1 by burdening young people with kids they aren't ready for.)

[-] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 82 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Its not about creating healthy environments or being concerned about the sanctity of life.

its about punishing the "other" for reproducing and dictating everything a woman can do.

[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 65 points 1 year ago

These are people who believe in generational punishment. You should be punished for what your parents did.

Remember, we're all paying for what Adam and Eve did.

[-] Furbag@lemmy.world 77 points 1 year ago

You'd think so, but try bringing up reparations and see how quickly they change their tune about the sins of their fathers.

[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 49 points 1 year ago

Oh it's always "different" when it's me being judged...

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[-] arin@lemmy.world 57 points 1 year ago

It's about control over women, none of the pedo conservatives care about the well being of kids at all.

[-] frickineh@lemmy.world 45 points 1 year ago

I think it was for previous charges after she violated probation. But yeah, if we're going to talk about endangering a fetus, then everyone who had a hand in her jail conditions and who ignored her when she went in to labor should also be in prison because every one of them is guilty of endangerment.

[-] Chetzemoka@startrek.website 50 points 1 year ago

No she was one of several women imprisoned under a new Alabama statute for "chemical endangerment of a fetus." You know, a "crime" that already can't be committed again by the time the imprisoned reach trial for it because of the way our "justice" system works.

Those women aren't allowed to endanger a fetus, but the all-knowing authorities are, apparently. (Yes, let's forcibly cold-turkey detox a pregnant person who was using. Great idea.)

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[-] Diplomjodler@feddit.de 41 points 1 year ago

It's never ever about protecting children.

[-] spider@lemmy.nz 35 points 1 year ago

And this is considered good policy by those who create these laws?

It's only good for the private prison industry that funds their campaigns, and bad for pretty much everyone else.

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[-] wide_eyed_stupid@lemmy.world 171 points 1 year ago

Jesus, what a nightmare story. That entire article is filled with horror. She must have felt so terrified and alone.

"After Caswell delivered her baby alone and lost consciousness, staff still refused to render aid and instead took photos of her baby without her consent, her lawyers allege. When she returned to the jail from the hospital, staff denied her access to her prescribed breast pump and ibuprofen."

Wtf is wrong with people? It's so fucking petty and mean. I'm gonna assume that none of the staff will actually face any consequences..?

[-] glitch1985@lemmy.world 43 points 1 year ago

Do they ever?

[-] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 164 points 1 year ago

But over the next seven months of incarceration for “chemical endangerment” in the Etowah county detention center (ECDC), Caswell was denied regular access to prenatal visits, even as officials were aware her pregnancy was high-risk due to her hypertension and abnormal pap smears, according to a lawsuit filed on Friday against the county and the sheriff’s department. She was also denied her prescribed psychiatric medication and slept on a thin mat on the concrete floor of the detention center for her entire pregnancy.

It’s never been about protecting the fetus, it’s always been about punishing the woman for being a “slut”

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[-] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 141 points 1 year ago

Conservatism is a plague of oppression, misery and death. It always has been.

If a conservative can find a way to cause harm, they must do it. That is simply who they are at their core.

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[-] CeeBee@lemmy.world 137 points 1 year ago

This case shows they’re doing precisely the opposite,” said Roth, who said the abuses Caswell endured were tantamount to “torture”.

No, it was full-blown torture. There's no room for interpretation here.

Women across the country have increasingly been jailed for pregnancy outcomes, including miscarriages and stillbirths.

Geez. I don't even know what to say. Miscarriages are way more common than people realize. In fact, it's possible that miscarriages out number full-term pregnancies. There are so many NORMAL biological factors that could trigger a miscarriage.

It's an incredibly complex and nuanced field of biology, and this simplistic mindset of "miscarriage means bad woman" is both disturbing and alarming.

[-] Tavarin@lemmy.ca 35 points 1 year ago

I've read estimates that miscarriages make up as much as 75% of all pregnancies, but many are early so women just think their period was late.

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[-] PetDinosaurs@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago

We had three before we brought my son to term.

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[-] brihuang95@sopuli.xyz 137 points 1 year ago

what a "pro-life" move right? letting a mother and a newborn baby almost fucking die in prison

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[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 120 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

U.S.A. The country where sociopathy is celebrated as a virtue by about half the population.

If you had any doubts, the half is of course mainly Republicans.

[-] RoyaltyInTraining@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago

Probably much less than half, but general apathy and the two party system distorts how that looks.

[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

Don't forget gerrymandering.

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[-] qooqie@lemmy.world 106 points 1 year ago

I think women should maybe leave these places if they can. I wouldn’t even let a man think about having kids with me if I were a woman in any of those shit states.

[-] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 133 points 1 year ago

...maybe leave these places if they can.

These laws are targeted towards poor women who can't fight back. This one is making the news because she's suing. I guarantee that if an attorney hasn't taken up the fight, you'd never hear about it.

[-] persolb@lemmy.ml 30 points 1 year ago

This seems like a good place for a charity… although the cost isn’t just a bus ticket but also probably temporary housing/income as well.

Shit. I just realized I’m suggesting a refugee agency for US states.

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[-] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 38 points 1 year ago

those people are so incredibly brainwashed by conservatives, they will happily vote to their own detriment. but yay. fox news. free market. yay.

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[-] dragonflyteaparty@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

We could move if we wanted to. We aren't, at least right now, because we'd leave behind our entire social network. Even if we moved where we know people, they wouldn't help as much with our two young children. I know and understand and accept that. They don't have to help with our kids, but we'd lose the people who can. We'd lose our kids friends and the network we are building in the neighborhood, which of course can be rebuilt, but that's also a consideration. I'd probably only see my sister once a year if that because she can't leave the state due to a custody agreement. Funds would also be an issue.

I also worry about too many democratic people leaving and making the state more red as a result and leaving behind those who can't move, like my sister and her kids, who will suffer as a result of increasingly authoritarian laws. Some regressive politicians have outright said that it's their goal to make it miserable for democratic and liberal people to force them to move, make the state redder, and thereby gain even more power.

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[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 105 points 1 year ago

Another proud moment for Christianity

[-] CeeBee@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

These people don't have the right to call themselves Christian. They just use that word to back up their actions with unchallengeable authority.

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[-] madcaesar@lemmy.world 68 points 1 year ago

If you are a woman, voting republican, you should be fucking ashamed of yourself. This is what this party thinks of you and your kind.

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[-] Ibaudia@lemmy.world 55 points 1 year ago

Addicted to meth? That's jail time. Wait, you're a mother and you're pregnant? That's super jail time, 15 years for you. Have to fuck over your kids' lives as much as possible. You also don't get medical care and you have to give birth in a fungus-infested jail shower. Definitely ethical treatment under law here!

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[-] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 46 points 1 year ago

How anyone could vote for any republican is beyond reason. On top of being worthless traitor filth, they actively oppress women and endanger our future generations. Simply unfathomable.

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[-] WaterChi@lemmy.world 45 points 1 year ago

It's never been about the children. It has always been about controlling and dehumanizing women as this story so clearly demonstrates.

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[-] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 45 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Jesus masturbates to this

Current republicans, probably

[-] Aurolei@lemmy.world 43 points 1 year ago

What about the risk for the mother? Holy shit, she didn't even have access to a basic maternity ward. America is fucked.

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[-] hperrin@lemmy.world 42 points 1 year ago

Can the baby sue for false imprisonment?

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[-] theywilleatthestars@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago

And that's why we don't punish that shit with jail time.

[-] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 37 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Toss ALL jail employees of the past 7 months in jail for torture, and toss the jailers.for that birth night in jaolmfor torture, and attempted murder of mother and child. I'm heavily against the death penalty but I'd make an exception for these religious fuckers.

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[-] crossfadedragon@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago

"Hey how come people aren't getting married and starting families anymore?"

[-] hubobes@sh.itjust.works 28 points 1 year ago
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[-] ZzyzxRoad@sh.itjust.works 27 points 1 year ago

Caswell, who has faced several chemical endangerment charges over the years, is now in state prison, serving a 15-year sentence.

What. The. Fuck. There are men who beat the absolute shit out of their girlfriends and spouses, for the 5th time, sometimes nearly kill them, and never see the inside of a jail cell or any charges at all. Or they get a few months and when they get the cops called on them for beating the shit out of another woman, they don't even get a parole or probation violation. Sometimes women get arrested, bloody with black eyes, while the person who did it walks away with barely a scratch and zero charges. I'm just speaking from personal here, but this happens with tons of other things. Sexual assault specifically. The supreme court just made it legal for people who have been charged with domestic violence to own/buy a fucking gun while out on bail.

I'm not defending using drugs while pregnant, and it's stupid I feel I even have to say that. But this sentence just shows, clear as day, the utter contempt the US has for women. And that the US prison system, and entire criminal justice system, constitutes actual torture - as they said in the article. I'm ashamed be an American, what an absolute Gilead shithole of a country.

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