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[-] aubeynarf@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 5 hours ago

The box that is labeled XP should be labeled 2000.

[-] aubeynarf@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 5 hours ago

when any new fact is learned, the learning entity has “discovered” it. Europeans thought they were going to India, and discovered that there was something else there. They also discovered there were people there, and never pretended that there weren’t.

You have to twist the common meaning of the word to make it mean “intentionally erasing existing inhabitents.

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 49 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

It's really incredible how Microsoft is trying to drive people away, by:

  • Polluting what works.

  • Never actually finishing revamps in progress.

  • Pushing so much crap even normal users are conditioned to click Microsoft 'features' away as spam.

They don't have to do anything! They could just freeze Windows 11 and gut development beyond security/api/hardware fixes, and rake in business "stuck on win32" dollars for eternity. But no, they are trying their absolute best to push folks to Android/iOS and open a window for stuff like the steam deck.

I bet we aren't far from OEMs even getting sick of it, as shipping (admittedly, trashy self made) linux distros.

[-] Dragonstaff@leminal.space 12 points 6 days ago

In Late Stage Capitalism, companies have realized they can maximize their profits by making their product worse. Especially when they have a (near) monopoly.

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Unless you are strictly talking next quarter's immediate profits/stock price, this is just bad for Microsoft. They are sabotaging their already anticompetitive golden goose.

Late Stage Capitalism dictates they'd try to keep their lock-in, but this is more executive dysfunction.

[-] Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 6 days ago

I feel like Frankenstein didn't know when to quit either. There's a lot of companies twisting the knife into themselves because shareholders demand infinite growth, but creating systems that work in harmony are in exact opposition to that creedo, so until we eliminate the perverse cancerous idea of infinite growth, we won't rid ourselves of these obviously bad actors that have themselves gilded with the guise of progress

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Even infinite growth has been thrown out. The main objective seems to be 'growth next few quarters' like its a desperate act of survival; beyond that is the problem of whoever's holding the bag then.

There are some companies still thinking long term, but money has definitely shifted to 'bonkers short term'

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[-] eestileib@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 5 days ago

I thought 10 was a decent OS once debloated, used it for a while.

Back to Linux now though.

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[-] Mostly_Roblox@lemmy.world 24 points 6 days ago

Windows peaked at 7, I only moved to Windows 10 when Windows 7 lost support

[-] stevedice@sh.itjust.works 12 points 6 days ago

That's mostly due to your age. Older people say it peaked at XP, younger people are saying it peaked at 10. Truth is, they're all kinda the same shit.

[-] Logical@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago

Is it though? From a privacy perspective I think Windows 10 quite clearly started introducing some shady surveillance practices which were absent in earlier versions. Of course, 11 took that waaay further, but 10 was a turning point imo.

[-] jj4211@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago

I think it's a hard case to make that 7 wasn't objectively better than XP.

Windows 10 did roll back some of the more egregious stuff from Windows 8, but still was sort of committed, sort of not. You had a platform with multiple personalities, multiple right click context menus, multiple 'control panel' with a new one being emphasized, but not actually completed, so it's an awkward mix of the platform they had suceeded with and a platform they wished it could be (combined with telemetry). Forced microsoft accounts and using the desktop as a platform to promote products and services....

Yeah I think a fair argument can be made that WIndows 7 was the ultimate execution of the general vision that started with Windows NT, and what came after was something else that also happened to have bits of that original product hanging on.

I'm not too terribly excited by any Windows in particular, but I can recognize something categorically different they wanted to do starting with 8 that remains partially executed to this day, starts to emphasize Microsoft's interests at the expense of the users, and a direction that no one really asked for.

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[-] pahlimur@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago

95, 98, xp, and 7 were all great; each improved on the last. But 7 was the true peak. 10 was pretty good and unfortunately was the turning point into enshitification.

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[-] cm0002@sh.itjust.works 7 points 6 days ago

Oh how I wish we could just go back to W7 :(

As a programmer, my world changed when Windows 95 came out, what with being 32-bit and having an extremely powerful (if difficult-to-use at first) low-level audio API, since I mainly wrote software synthesis and music composition apps. I have not given two fucks for anything that has happened since 95. Quite amazingly, that audio API has remained in existence, unchanged, all the way until today. 30 years of not having to change what I'm doing at all has been absolutely amazing. That shit even worked, without modification, for Windows CE (Compact Edition) and Windows Mobile, so I was able to make versions of my software synthesizer that ran on shitty smartphones from 2005. It worked on Windows Phone as well, albeit it quite uselessly.

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[-] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 24 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I remember when we were a Unix shop (BSD & Linux) sharing space with guys writing code for some kind of printing software (for professional printing shops that did complex format conversions) that apparently absolutely had to be on Windows (because, unclear reasons, nobody would buy a non Windows printing management box, or something).

Anyway, they were writing for one of the early versions of NT, maybe 2000, not sure, and were pulling their hairs out the whole time we were with them.

A classic I remember was "the system will just decide that our driver (pretty much the only thing running) isn't that important, and dump it's priority to the shitter. Once it's there, it's dead in the water and we can't get it active again without physical intervention. We've been talking to Microsoft for weeks to get around this."

I suppose this has been more or less addressed by Microsoft nowadays, but, of course, this kind of thing hasn't been an issue in unixland, like ever. Because it's a system that fucking makes sense. And about the versions of Windows, I stopped using their stuff in the DOS days, so it's not like I even have an opinion.

(and yes, they did have a couple very high end developers, on top of the regular grunts)

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[-] elbiter@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago

I miss windows millennium, which would be a hammer made of a turd.

[-] VicksVaporBBQrub@sh.itjust.works 16 points 6 days ago
[-] BootLoop@sh.itjust.works 12 points 6 days ago

But Windows ~~10~~ 11 is going to be the last version of Windows!

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[-] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 11 points 6 days ago

This is why I am on linux.

[-] jj4211@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago

The plain old basic hammer probably should have been Windows 2000, and then a big playskool plastic stuff slapped on for XP, but ultimately pretty much exactly the same.

[-] Fenrisulfir@lemmy.ca 10 points 6 days ago

Where the fuck is Windows 2000 Advanced Server? The shiniest turd of them all

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[-] uservoid1@lemmy.world 11 points 6 days ago

Win ME is the 98 image but the rock is on the smaller branch

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[-] mrmorganiser@sh.itjust.works 8 points 6 days ago

What about Windows ME? - the best version of classic windows.

[-] ouRKaoS@lemmy.today 7 points 6 days ago

Windows ME was one of those squeaky toy hammers.

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[-] halloween_spookster@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

It's just a bottle of whiskey

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[-] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

At least you can despyware 10...

[-] dajoho@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 days ago

Why should you need to? That's my beef with it. It means they don't respect you enough to give you something good in the first place and hope 99% won't bother.

[-] krooklochurm@lemmy.ca 6 points 6 days ago

You forgot windows me.

I know it would throw off the whole 9 square thing but if you (or the person that created this) decide to add it then might I recommend a hammer smashing itself into pieces?

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[-] MehBlah@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago

Why skip 95 and put a blank in for 9. Windows 95/98 are the reason why there is no windows 9. Far too many lazy programmers make software and drivers that abbreviated to windows9 because there were two versions. Still nice try, I guess.

[-] TipsyMcGee@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 6 days ago

Because the omission is notable and funny, even if they had their reasons

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[-] myotheraccount@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago

Windows 9 looks nice, I'll take that one

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