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[-] Kolanaki@pawb.social 126 points 5 days ago

Have you not played Luigi's Mansion?

[-] Gork@sopuli.xyz 7 points 5 days ago

Person wielding vacuum cleaner when countering this threat: "lol skill issue"

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[-] EtnaAtsume@lemmy.world 94 points 5 days ago

This may come as a shock to anons who filter their entire existence through video games but literature does not need to operate according to rules of game balance.

[-] i_am_a_cardboard_box@lemmy.world 64 points 5 days ago

Cinema, not literature. In the books the undead army is way less OP than in the movie adaptation. Their only weapon is fear, and they do not liberate minas tirith, but only scare the mercenaries off their black sail ships. Aragon uses the boats to quick travel to minas tirith with his elf and half elven friends and fresh troops from the south.

[-] Klear@quokk.au 29 points 4 days ago

Their only weapon is fear

Fear and surprise

[-] Hozerkiller@lemmy.ca 23 points 4 days ago

Fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency.

[-] anton@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 4 days ago

Our three weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency...and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope....

[-] Klear@quokk.au 8 points 4 days ago

...

I'll come in again.

[-] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 9 points 4 days ago

What about the limitless coffers of Rome?

[-] prototact@lemmy.zip 11 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Ye I don't blame Jackson for changing it, there was less time to explain in the movie and the payoff was bigger. What works in books does not always work in films and vice versa

[-] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 days ago

Jackson's changes are generally improvements to the story or at worst understandable compromises for a different medium.

[-] zloubida@sh.itjust.works 38 points 5 days ago

Yes! The answer is “you can't, and that's the point.”

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[-] Kolanaki@pawb.social 28 points 5 days ago

Man, even games don't need to operate according to the rules of game balance. Just look at [current hot live service game's most recent update]!

[-] AGD4@lemmy.world 19 points 5 days ago

Man, [current hot live service game] has really gone down hill since [game's most recent update] released. It's like the Devs don't even care anymore, y'know?

[-] stray@pawb.social 11 points 5 days ago

It's been shit for over 10 years now, but I just keep paying them every month, and I don't know what I'm doing with my life.

[-] rtxn@lemmy.world 20 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

"A story is not a machine that does what you tell it. A story is a beast with a life of its own. You can create it, shape it, but as the story grows, it starts wanting things of its own. Change one thing, and you set off a chain reaction of events that spreads through the whole thing. The characters have to be true to themselves. The events need to follow a logic that fits the story. A single flaw and the magic is gone. The story dies. - Alan Wake" - Sam Lake

Established rules and constraints must be consistent throughout the story, otherwise nerds on the internet with nothing better to do will call you a hack. See: the new Star Wars. Force healing, my ass.

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[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

I think there's a whole webcomic DM of the Rings that makes fun of this idea at great length.

[-] PuddleOfKittens@sh.itjust.works 48 points 4 days ago

Can cause physical harm

The irony is that they can't, but their greatest weapon is that the people they fight think they can, and flee without even trying. And this post is making the exact same mistake, while also assuming they're invincible. The answer to the post is the post. That or pointing to the post and laughing.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

The irony is that they can’t

Pretty sure I saw a bunch of these guys sucking people's souls out or whatever, during the battle, at least in the movie.

From the book, its ambiguous. Per Legolas to the hobbits, following the battle:

Faint cries I heard, and dim horns blowing, and a murmur as of countless far voices: it was like the echo of some forgotten battle in the Dark Years long ago. Pale swords were drawn; but I know not whether their blades would still bite, for the Dead needed no longer any weapon but fear

A lot of Tolkien's storytelling involves this kind of Word of Mouth recounting, such that it's hard to know whether you're getting real High Magic or just mythology passed down second hand.

However you slice it, I'd describe "literally scares you to death" as physical harm.

[-] Empricorn@feddit.nl 29 points 4 days ago

Book version. In the movie version they absolutely can cause physical harm. A ghost sword and Aragorn's even stop each other, iirc.

[-] toynbee@lemmy.world 15 points 4 days ago

I've never been a huge LotR fan so I don't necessarily remember any details, but isn't that because the sword had special qualities (being the sword of the ghosts' king IIRC) rather than because the ghosts can interact with physical objects?

[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago

For that one scene yes, for the next like 20 minutes of the movie where they jump on top of elephants and stab everybody riding them to death little bit different.

[-] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Psychological warfare sure is ... funny, isn't it?

You ever hear about this?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/dotmil/arkin020199.htm

For Iraq War 1, the US wanted to develop the ability to project a giant hologram either into or from the sky... of the prophet Mohammed... who would tell the Iraqi forces to stand down, presumably via spec ops placed speaker arrays.... or... something.

... They later realized that no one has any idea what Mohammed looks like.

... Because depictions of him....are widely viewed as heresy by many (most? basically all?) Muslims.

Oh and of course... they did not know how to build a hologram projector in the early 90s, either.

We do apparently know how to do at least something like that now, though.

https://idstch.com/technology/photonics/3-d-holograms-will-be-employed-for-battlefield-intelligence-military-planning-and-explosives-disposal/

[-] dalekcaan@feddit.nl 55 points 5 days ago
[-] dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com 41 points 4 days ago
[-] kadaverin0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)
[-] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Superior diplomacy, intelligence, and/or subterfuge and intrigue.

... and/or superior magic.


The Dead Men of Dunharrow only respond to and follow Aragorn because they believe he is the heir to Isildur.

Make them doubt that.

... Or just kill Aragon, specifically, with extreme prejudice.

Or, generate a pretender heir to Isildur, mislead them.


Or... and I am... admittedly not sure if this is possible within LotR canon...

Basically, get Sauron or Saurumon to directly intervene with some kind of magic that is at least as, or more powerful than that of Isildur, such thst they can be paralyzed or rendered combat ineffective in some way.

(Possibly also could help with the first plan of generating some kind of doubt, confusion or deception)

In more modern military lingo: Re evaluate your enemy threat profiles and re allocate resources and attention accordingly.

[-] stupidcasey@lemmy.world 41 points 5 days ago
[-] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

We need a bigger trap!

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[-] carrylex@lemmy.world 34 points 4 days ago
[-] TheSlad@sh.itjust.works 30 points 4 days ago

Its funny how this scene implies that Aragorn came up with this flashy theatrical entrance idea, explained it to the ghosts, and they were all like "hell yea thats sounds bad-ass lets do it"

[-] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 41 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

They're a limited-use item - once they do enough to fulfill their oath, they won't keep fighting. In the books, they didn't even get as far as Minas Tirith - they were done once they defeated the corsairs. Also, it wasn't clear that they could actually cause physical harm.

[-] Kenny2999@lemmy.world 36 points 5 days ago
[-] Nomad@infosec.pub 31 points 5 days ago

Well, it's not like the enemy army has one if the two most ancient and most powerful magicians on their side. They'll figure something out.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

Two actually. Sauron and Sarumon are the same class of being. Balrogs are too, but iirc they're more on Morgoth's side

[-] Nomad@infosec.pub 2 points 4 days ago

If i remember correctly, Saruman had already fled at that point. Correct?

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[-] oce@jlai.lu 37 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Enchanted weapons or your own army of a corresponding ghostly type.

[-] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 13 points 5 days ago

And Sauron didn't have a few?

[-] oce@jlai.lu 15 points 5 days ago

He didn't have time to cast or summon, it was not in his primary deck for this battle.

[-] Jesus_666@lemmy.world 18 points 5 days ago

Call the Ghostbusters, duh. They ain't afraid of no ghost.

[-] xkbx@startrek.website 14 points 5 days ago

Close your eyes and say you don’t believe in ghosts

[-] stray@pawb.social 8 points 5 days ago

I'm my experience, simply refusing to acknowledge the supernatural has made such entities incapable of properly manifesting 100% of the time.

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[-] programmer_belch@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 5 days ago

10 necromancers turning them against each other

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