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National Science Foundation (NSF) had offered $1.5 million to address structural vulnerabilities in Python and the Python Package Index (PyPI), but the Foundation quickly became dispirited with the terms of the grant it would have to follow.

"These terms included affirming the statement that we 'do not, and will not during the term of this financial assistance award, operate any programs that advance or promote DEI [diversity, equity, and inclusion], or discriminatory equity ideology in violation of Federal anti-discrimination laws,'" Crary noted. "This restriction would apply not only to the security work directly funded by the grant, but to any and all activity of the PSF as a whole."

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[-] abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 2 months ago

NSF: "We'll give you money as long as you don't hire minorities".

Python: "Get fucked."

Chad shit

[-] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 months ago

Besides the anti-woke bullshit, it's just a bad idea to accept. It is absolutely not normal for a grant to have stipulations that if you violate some vaguely defined criteria somewhere in your organization, it can be clawed back at a later time. That's a huge liability for an organization to take on that they may suddenly owe a million dollars some time in the future.

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[-] AtariDump@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago
[-] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 months ago

Congratulations for having a real spine and showing the world that money isn't everything

Thank you python team

[-] beejjorgensen@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 2 months ago

One of our geology grants got hit for mentioning mineral inclusion. Total clown show.

[-] Chozo@fedia.io 5 points 2 months ago
[-] portifornia@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Yeah, since rocks went all woke and stuff, they have really been rolling down hill...

[-] Ersatz86@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago
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[-] PlanterTree@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 months ago

The diversity of rocks you can find in the environment is truly stunning

[-] umbraroze@slrpnk.net 4 points 2 months ago

One of my recent software projects has an "ignore" list feature, but I guess I have to update the terminology to "include/exclude" if that means chuds will stay away.

[-] deathbird@mander.xyz 1 points 2 months ago

An administration that uses LLMs and Ctrl + F and vibes for policy decisions that don't sound good even before you realize they don't make sense, and ignores courts and due process... it's a hazard to touch.

[-] PlanterTree@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 months ago

for real? Mentioning the wrong (key-) word gets you cancelled like this?

[-] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 months ago

Yep. And Universities had to edit their papers to remove any "bad words".

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[-] daggermoon@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Fucking hell, good for the PSF for maintaining their values. I'll make a donation when I get paid. I'm sure they would appreciate it if any one else can spare a dollar or two.

https://psfmember.org/civicrm/contribute/transact/?reset=1&id=2

Edit: Added donation link

[-] henfredemars@infosec.pub 6 points 2 months ago

I’m deeply proud of Python for standing by its community and making the right decision.

[-] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

To make matters worse, the terms included a provision that if the PSF was found to have voilated that anti-DEI diktat, the NSF reserved the right to claw back any previously disbursed funds, Crary explained.

Likely why it was not accepted

[-] kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 months ago

Yeah, even if they weren't willing to take a principled stance, that's really dangerous. Especially with how temperamental these fascists are.

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[-] recked_wralph@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I bet if they solicit crowd funding to replace this grant they’d easily surpass its dollar value.

~~Is there an existing way to donate to the Python Foundation?~~

Never mind, answered my own question: https://www.python.org/psf/donations/

[-] Speculater@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Thanks for doing the research for us lazy folks, donation sent!

[-] NinjaTurtle@feddit.online 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

"... do not ,and will not ... operate any programs that advance or promote DEI [diversity, equity, and inclusion], or discriminatory equity ideology..."

Aren't these contradictory? 🤔

[-] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

They're really pulling the childish 'We're just going to make up a fake acronym using DEI' card in an official government communication?

This is a clown show

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[-] oxysis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 months ago

Hey look someone with integrity, morals, principles and balls. Sadly all four of those seem to be highly endangered traits.

[-] obinice@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

How is it legal to basically say "We'll give you some money if you promise to keep the blacks out of your organisation"

[-] bhamlin@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

You frame it as "don't discriminate based on skin color, as in don't hire a black person because they're black" while not saying any more of the quiet part out loud.

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[-] Suavevillain@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Good for them. It is good to see people do something right for once.

[-] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Go team snake 🐍

[-] Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago

Fuck yes, Python.

[-] libertyoftheforest@lemmy.wtf 2 points 2 months ago

That's right. Fuck anti-DEI. DEI is the future and good.

[-] daslfc@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

In 2 days the White House will order every companie to stop using python because of woke or something

[-] ebolapie@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Imagining all the llm dorks suddenly trying to learn typescript over the weekend

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[-] SaneMartigan@aussie.zone 2 points 2 months ago

There's an often repeated theme in philosophy that any gift that comes with conditions is actually just business.

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[-] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 months ago

After growing up watching things like Bill Nye, seeing names like the NSF saying shit like this is like an actual fucking nightmare reality. It's just so incredibly wrong.

[-] DarkAri@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 months ago

I should use python more. I like when people have principles.

[-] db2@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Trump's bullshit already violated those laws though. Repeatedly.

[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.

[-] Mwa@thelemmy.club 1 points 2 months ago

based Python.

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

It’s a purchase of No DEI, not a donation.

[-] deathbird@mander.xyz 1 points 2 months ago

Especially in light of how incompetent this administration is, and how bad it is at clearly communicating ideas, they made the only sensible choice. Maybe there's more details in the grant terms itself, but from the article it looks like it just says "don't advance or promote DEI", and without explicitly defining what they mean by that they are setting up a trap.

PyPI is smart not to take the money.

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