Our jobs as citizens is to be critical of the government.
If you're not being critical, then they are getting away with something.
Obama refusing to name a matching DNC chair is why we lost all momentum, and neoliberals were able to force Hillary, Joe, and Kamala down our throats for over a decade.
And people legit worship him for "getting" us a more conservative version of Mitt Romeny's healthcare plan while he normalized the US military killing US citizens...
Now Carter...
Carter gets rembered as the "last great" Dem.
But the truth is he was further right than the Dem voting base, and even had an anti-abortion speaker at his first nomination acceptance. He didn't push too hard to overturn Roe v Wade.
He wasn't "the last great Dem" he was the begining of neoliberlism.
It's just 50 fucking years later, nobody understands how much we've lost, because they don't know what we had.
Who in the absolute fuck worships Obama? I've known many people who like him and most of those also criticize him on some level. Can't say I've heard of anyone "worshipping" him even if we go with a loose definition there. Strawman.
Oo ooo, can I go next?
FDR wasn't the great working class champion he has been lionized as. The New Deal was a compromise that was a direct response to the working class organizing and beginning to make demands. It's purpose was to mitigate the failings of capitalism, because the contradictions could never be directly addressed. Roosevelt sided with big business, in both agriculture and banking, that added speed to consolidation of corporations we are now fully having to deal with.
Roosevelt sided with big business, in both agriculture and banking,
What?
EBRA?
I have no idea what you mean, I don't know everything, but I feel like you may be misunderstanding something
The National Industrial Recovery Act of 1933 (NIRA) included the promotion of monopolies and price-fixing, which had a negative impact on small businesses, and inadequate protection of workers' rights and collective bargaining (7a a single line).
That's legislation...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Industrial_Recovery_Act_of_1933
Are you mad he didn't veto it?
Or do you think FDR is soley responsible like when China killed all the sparrows and caused a famine killing millions?
That's relevant, because you're saying unintended consequences matter after all.
I just don't understand why you're blaming FDR unless you assume he had the same level of power as Mao
It was apart of Roosevelt's New Deal, his administration was the driving force behind it. Like yes it was legislation but is the point you are trying to make that the New Deal had nothing to do with FDR?
You're blaming him for one piece of legislation that had unintended consequences...
Do you blame Mao for the famine that resulted when he ordered the extermination of sparrows?
For some reason you didn't answer that
Leave Carter out of this shit!
Obama is a war criminal. He continued Bush policies and was where the buck stops regarding the disposition matrix.
A lot of Afghani villages burned at Obama's command, and one in fifty people killed by drone strikes was a POI. The rest were mostly civilians, including children and grandmothers
Liberals are just not as left-wing -- and not as truthful -- as some of us are.
And then I mention that I own firearms and start criticizing my state's overbearing gun laws.
Liberals are capitalists though. Just in a "I can fix her" kind of way
Liberals don't believe in capitalism... No one does. It's descriptive, not prescriptive
Liberals believe in rules. That you can tweak the rules and eventually you'll end up with a perfect system of government
Obviously that doesn't work, but a true liberal is a midwit with good intentions. I'd take that all day right now
"language is descriptive, not prescriptive"
Gods, what an utterly myopic defense. You do know there is a difference between colloquial language for the purpose of simple communication and theoretical language for the purpose of in-depth systemic analysis, right?
Don't make excuses for being willfully ignorant of political theory.
I think I'm making an important point here.
It's really important that we stop pretending that these people believe their bullshit. The difference between liberals and the neo-liberals we have now isn't more belief in capitalism, it's that they've been bribed directly and indirectly
If you say they believe in capitalism, you're giving ground. There's an implication that they believe their actions will lead to better outcomes... But they so obviously don't
Liberals believe in strong private property rights, which is one of the most core tenents of how capitalism works. It allows capitalists to accumulate their private property and hold it for profit. And by "believe", I mean they advocate for this dynamic / structure.
I think that's a really good point. Strong property rights is a better way to put it, I'm going to add that from now on
But the reason why I'm splitting hairs is because we're at the point where they're trying to privatize the FAA. In fact, they partially have under Trump 1, which is why the planes are breaking - we let airline companies inspect themselves
And it's not because Republicans believe in capitalism
The problem we have isn't some belief system, it's just naked corruption
The whole world is capitalist. Changing it at this point seems unrealistic. Limiting it and controlling it seems more viable.
My Lemmy experience so far ^
No surprise. You're in .world
Unfortunately, that instance is crawling with neoliberalists.
Liberals love Israel and look away from Gaza, that's one of their defining characteristics, and the major thing splitting the Democratic coalition.
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