“This is sensitive data that could do a lot of damage if it fell into the wrong hands”, said the people paying a for-profit company to collect the data
“You mean we have to let the public use the services they’re paying for? Wtf!”
That's how it is done.
If it is a public camera, it has to be a public record.
And if not, then anyone having access to the feed, has to have their whole life (both work and personal) be available as a public record.
If not, then you now have cases where most people can't afford to defend themselves from malicious cop allegations.
To prevent this, anyone arrested, pre-trial has to have access to all searches done by cops, related to the allegation and ability to pull-up 100% of their own footage anytime near the event in question.
If any part of the footage is deleted, due to "technical issues" like, "the footage was deleted" or "some of the cameras were not working", then the arrest is illegal and the police department is responsible for compensation.
I'm not from the US, but it would seem to me that public cameras should only be accessible for legitimate purposes.
Police should need to request footage, but similarly, you shouldn't be able to just request any footage willy nilly, because of stalking.
Seems that it should be tightly regulated and require multiple people to gain access, and be documented who was given access.
Overall your comment seems like a great suggestion to me. If footage "goes missing", they had better have way more evidence to back up their charges.
This also boils down to who is in control of the data.
Whoever gets to approve the data requests, needs to be answerable to those whose footage is being recorded.
If footage is asked for, then such a request needs to be logged publicly, with the requester's identifiable information and stored as a permanent record, regardless of approval.
If any legislation is to be made regarding this, it is important to keep in mind that incomplete footage can be more harmful and will be misused.
Then comes the point where cops don't really care about correctly solving a case and are happy with propping any random citizen as a criminal. And considering how easily they can get away with harassment even after being exposed, it honestly doesn't make sense to me at all that they be given absolutely any extra privileges.
From my standpoint, if I can't use a local police camera to get informed on who cut the brake-cable of my bicycle, then there might as well be no police camera.
Everytime I have personally seen the police go out of their way to do something, they never had any legitimate purposes.
In reality it's supposed to be even more strict. They're trying to get around this by having a private company own the cameras. If the government owned the cameras, they would need to get a warrant with a sufficiently narrow target from a judge before initiating electronic surveillance to track the targets' location.
If something is really going on which justifies it, getting a warrant is trivial and probable cause is a low bar.
My friend and I look for these occasionally. They’re often deployed with default passwords and never updated. Many seem to be set up to case businesses and houses and appear to be obscured from view. It’s super great /s
Any clever "google Dork" ways in finding these "flock" devices through eg Shodan?
Deflockme
And for anyone reading this, please contribute to the map when you find a camera irl that's not included
What's the default password? And how do you connect to it?
Something like 90% of houses in this area have some kind of camera on it. I hate being filmed by these shitheads 24/7.
I'm one of those. Honestly it's great to have. Not sure about situations where a house is closer to the road, but mine doesn't record people on the sidewalk. You have to walk halfway up my driveway or more before it picks up on something to record. Helps me keep an eye on the stray cats that have a heated home on my porch, though.
I was having catalytic converters stolen, and packages stolen, and even bridge toll trackers stolen. Then I added a bunch of lights and cameras. Now it doesn’t happen anymore. What am I supposed to do?
Replace the cameras with dummy cameras, because like you said "It doesn't happen anymore."
And who cares. My cameras record do you know who sees 99% of it nobody. It just gets recorded over.
I worry we give too much attention to one company over several that are problematic. Not that the attention is invalid, more that we need to keep every invasive technology in each other's awareness.
It's at least setting legal precedent which makes it easier to fight against these.
TWO groups of conversation from this:
Public cameras recording our private lives recorded MUST be fully regulated and accountable. Private cameras slightly more tricky. I take the view that self hosting options are the best option. We need more devices that just work for the lay person. RING (and similar) should be considered a shit-show for privacy rights.
That's why I installed an analog camera DVR system in my home. It cheap, reliable, locally hosted, and best of all I'm the only one with access. (Not counting the Chinese government via the mandated backdoor in the DVR firmware) it's great!
EDIT: formatting
I would never. Ever have a security camera for personal use that uses some kind of cloud-only server. If I need to use a cloud service for a backup that is one thing. But it will primarily be an internal offline recording. Wired setups are superior here.
"Give me the man and I will find the crime."
NY city is the most camera surveillance place on earth. Didn't make it much safer.
Is it NYC now? I remember it being London a while back, but considering the money, I wouldn't be surprised if it was NYC now.
Yeah I remember UK was way ahead of the game on this and it was a big topic in the 2000s but maybe they got overtaken.
Would’ve expected Singapore to be up there
If they panic, they better Release it.
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