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many started to wear red caps and that's a no-no
Yeah, if someone in a red cap comes up to me lamenting about how life sucks due to inflation/lack of jobs, I'm gonna laugh right in their face.
Or became super religious and changed their whole personality.
I had a friend since 3rd grade. I'm 47 now, we haven't spoken for about 2 years now. Considered him my brother but he went far right and he just stopped talking to me. I find it so strange to because in our 20s he was by far the most liberal of all of us and he kept me from going to the fox news right wing radio brainwashing.
Something happened during COVID, he just lost his mind. And never looked back
For me, a lot of those "Deep" friendships weren't so deep at all. We knew each other, but none of us respected each other. We just all did the same drugs, drank the same excess amount and most of us had the same empty bank account.
One day, one of us would just be gone, sometimes cuz they just moved away, or realized how toxic we all were, some of us just found better friends. I talk to a few still, but "Deep"? Nah
I have a girlfriend , i work, I have a cat, there's no time for anything else
Dang, your life sounds like a Noir narrator
I made a lot of terrible choices in terms of friends. Not exclusively terrible ones, I have several high quality men that I still exchange emails with at least a few times per year, and we talk a lot about lunches and stuff that don't happen... but they're quality men, and we are still friends.
Along with them, two or three times as many dudes who I should've just left where I found em, and who eventually forced me to do so, usually by treating someone else rather than me like shit.
Some others that I know I should have tried harder to move acquaintance into the friendship category.
Or ANY friendships, really... As you get older a couple of things happen:
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Your friend group gets more geographically diverse. People move away and do other things.
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It gets harder to get everyone together at the same time. Everyone has a different schedule, responsibilities, and priorities.
Trust me, as some weird modern form of atheistic deist, I am not advocating for religion. But there’s something to be said about community values and how it overcomes the issues you’ve mentioned. Church goers don’t seem to struggle as much with getting their schedules in order, making time for community events, doing community service… when these things are seen as virtuous under the eye of their god, they get it done.
What are we missing now that makes modern life lack this community connection it once benefited from and religious folk seem to still have? What’s missing, why’d it go, and how can we get it back?
I feel that part of the reason is the lack of any kind of 3rd-space. And that’s what churches are for some people. (I’m also not religious)
I’ve tried to find others that would want to open up a community makerspace but have had no luck.
(typo)
It's pretty rare for a "deep" friendship to work in spite of external changes (having kids, moving for work, politics) AND internal changes (generational experience, level of maturity, dealing with personal stressors)
Instead of looking for a nostalgic ideal of friendship, I think its more realistic to just make a goal to place yourself in new social activities that can give you fun moments of human connection.
Honestly, at this point in my middle age, it mainly comes down to: Do we have anything in common? Cool. Can we have a comfortable conversation beyond small talk? Great. Are we both willing to make time to hang? Awesome. Anything "deeper" can come later and organically IF the connection lasts. I can count on my hand how many "deep" friendships remain in my life.
Huh… 38% of men turn to a friend when in need opposed to 54% of women. A 16% difference doesn’t seem, like, huge.
Maybe we should be talking more about why people are so closed off just in general?
A 16% difference is a huge gap!
Let’s put that in context for a second here; let’s say you are a man with 100 friends, only 38 feel comfortable reaching out to you when they need help. The other 62 don’t feel comfortable reaching out for help, meaning they feel as if they have to deal with it alone.
Now let’s consider if you were a woman in the same setting. 54 feel comfortable reaching out and 46 don’t feel comfortable.
In this case that’s 16 more lives that are negatively impacted in men.
Now when we factor in the actual population numbers for each group it gets significantly worse. And since this study is done on Americans let’s apply that to the entire population of the country using data from Neilsberg Research. With there being roughly 164,545,087 men and 167,842,453 women.
For the men that means about 62,527,133 men feel comfortable asking for help, looks like a lot until we look at the remainder. 102,017,954, roughly, don’t feel comfortable reaching out. That’s nearly 2/3s of men aren’t getting help when they need to.
For women about 90,634,925 are seeking help when they need it. That’s a gap of 28 million people from where the men are! While 77,207,528 are not getting help, 24,810,426 less women are not getting help.
That’s what a 16% gap actually means and it’s insanely huge.
Yeah, like, I know how numbers work… but the prevailing narrative for my entire adult life has been that men are isolationist monsters who never reach out for help while women are inherently social creatures.
16% doesn’t really support this narrative. Seems like about half the population isn’t comfortable talking to other people, which seems like it might indicate that society needs to change a bit, rather than just men.
Slightly over a one half vs slightly over one third is pretty significant.
I think there's a core difference in "support" that they just started to touch on right at the end of the discussion. Support can take two forms:
- words
- actions
The thesis here seems almost entirely focused on "words". As in, "Men do not reach out for words of support as often as women". I would agree. However, when the support needed is "actions" I know myself and men are quick to ask and quick to respond to others asking.
- Can you come over and help me move this piece of furniture?
- My wife has been out of work taking care of our new child, just found out I lost my job. Can you put me in touch with that company that needed a worker for that thing?
- I don't have a post hole digger, do you have one I can borrow?
- Can you show me how to fill out the tax form for that deduction?
Also frequently while these acts of support are happening words of support are also exchanged. Only at the end of the article did they talk about a fitness group that turned into a community service organization. The actions of support are present here. So I'd argue that men in western society have a high ratio of actions but lower ratio of words of support.
For women reading, how does this compare with relationships you have with other women in friendships? How much is words vs actions?
I guess this is just a matter of opinion, but are any of those things “support”? Like, “I need help moving a couch” isn’t really the same as “I am having an existential crisis and I need help” is it?
I guess I do bond during the couch moving, somewhat?
I am having an existential crisis and I need help
How would my mate help me with the existential crisis? He can help me moving a sofa, lend me money, help to fill the tax return etc.
By being supportive. Emotional support is, in fact, support.
this post was submitted on 17 Nov 2025
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