Absolutely! A lot of an country's or region's culture and history is reflected in their language. In their expressions, vocabulary, loan words, etc.
Spouse is Kenyan and I have learned a fair bit of Swahili. My spouse is fluent in English, Swahili, and their tribal language which I know basically none of.
I never could have imagined how much it would help me understand them better by understanding their language. It has profoundly changed me as a person.
Language is not purely functional, it is woven into who we are and how others perceive us to be. I started learning to simply participate more with them and their family, now I am experiencing my brain be rewritten.
As a person who only spoke English well into adulthood and then is rapidly learning a very different language and culture, I feel like I have a POV that nobody else in my life understands.
Thanks for asking :)
Diversifying your means of understanding can feel really rewarding(and challenging).
As for missing something…I think we overestimate how much language shapes thinking. Most meals are just a version of pizza.
Pizza or stew.
Speaking from my own personal experience, recall and exposure as a whole give a definitive perspective on the human experience, as well as contributes to those you exonerated along the way.
As a whole I've found it isn't a huge difference as a single event in the grand scheme but it can really add up over time.
Yes.
When talking with the average American back home, there are lots of things you can sense they don't notice and don't seem to think about, especially if they've never even travelled.
From small things like always being cognizant of time zone differences and phone number country codes you use, to bigger things like seeing how crappy American restrictive zoning laws, suburban hellscapes, and car-centric society are.
Also, from the weeb perspective, going from needing anime subtitles to almost not needing them is pretty interesting.
Also, from the weeb perspective, going from needing anime subtitles to almost not needing them is pretty interesting.
Japanese too hard. I gave up. 😭
Japanese speaking and listening is still harder than reading and writing for me, and I'm guessing it's the same for you, since you already know 漢字?
I can hear some Japanese words because Cantonese (and sometime Mandarin) has some overlap sounds with Japanese.
In Steins;Gate for example: Japanse pronounciation for WW3 (第三次世界大戦) is "Daisanji sekai taisen", Cantonese is "Daisaamchi saigaai daaizin", so when that character said those words, I was momentarily confused, like: why is there Cantonese in my Anime?, but then I realized, both probably derived from the same common anestral language, probabky some merchants traveled from the 粵 (Yue) region of China to Japan or vice versa, and that's probably how these pronunciations influenced each other.
Aye, that's it.
You can hear it in some words like 日本, as 'nippon' and 'Japan' both feel closer to the Middle Chinese pronunciation than they are to modern Mandarin's 'rìběn'.
Also, I hear Chinese students unintentionally (or half-intentionally) slip in Mandarin pronunciations all the time when they forget the Japanese pronunciation that is very close.
I don't know if no one can understand my POV, but I get myself into strange situations that are awesome. I speak English, Chinese and Spanish. Once I was in Brazil and while they speak Portuguese, everyone understands Spanish, but not necessarily English. Especially if it's for a local tourist activity. I saw a pirate ship and thought my kids would love it. So I talked them into selling me tickets and boarded the ship. What I didn't know was it had nothing to do with pirates, it was a boat to go to an island. And everyone was drunk on caiprinahas.
Anyway while on the boat, suddenly the boat guide person said it's dancing time. I swear to God every one just started synchronized dancing. I thought it was a flash mob.
Then when we got to the island, on our local side, everyone was dancing and eating Brazilian food. I noticed a fence and looked over and realized half the island was for American tourists. And wow the difference was stark. The Brazilians were dancing and having fun. The Americans were overweight laying on beach towels and not moving. Really makes you think about culture differences.
Ultimately, I don't know if people can understand my view points. But I am super grateful I know the languages I do because I get to have experiences others simply can't. As well as I don't worry about visiting random nations because I'll almost certainly find someone who can speak a language I know. Like I had to speak Spanish once on top of the great wall.
I speak English, Chinese and Spanish.
我会普通话和粤语。我在广州出生,现在归化为美国公民。但,我汉语水平只是二年级。。。 Lol
I don't understand how that works? I'm too lazy to write in Chinese at the moment since I'm drunk. But how can you be born in Guang Zhou and only have a second grade understanding of Chinese? That said, my Spanish is the worst of the three languages I speak. We are all going to have different levels of languages based on many factors. I'll tell you what though, you'll your best language when your smashed out of your mind...
Immigrated to the US after 2nd grade on an immigration visa with my family, which means the Chinese education ended, and so I started school in the US, and learning in English... 明白吗?😅
啊明白了。你那么年轻还能写中文那马好不错。我认识的大陆孩子搬去美国不知不会写中文,多不会说了。恭喜你。
写字啊。。。 👀
我靠拼音来打字。。。忘了怎么用笔来写了。。。
会看,会听,会说,会用电脑打字,不会写。
ah ha ha ha ha. 我也是。我太久没有用笔写字了。但是明显你好认识子已经比很多的人好。我觉得要手写太累了,还有很多人的字我看不懂
Definitely. I spent several years living in a South American country, one that is considered almost "high income" for the region. Uruguay. Now back in the States I still recognize how much less we USA folks could live on if our society was not so pushed by constant consumption by the corporatocracy's propaganda.
Learning to think in another language. Learning how even everyday things like doors and locks are different. Feeling distant from yet also slowly growing into that new to me culture
Smaller space, more use of renewables for heat, cooking, electric generation. Smaller cars than the giants on US roads that everybody here seems to "need". Yet many of those very small cars are indeed USA street legal if Hyundai/KIA, GM, etc imported the Brasil-Made Chevrolet Onyx, the Argentina-made small Chevrolets, the South American KIA Picanto, VW "city car" the Volkswagen Up! (Already on EU streets in an even smaller version)
Grocery stores with more home made and store made products. Yet without the massive duplication we have of entire aisles of breakfast cereals, soaps, etc. There was a reasonably broad degree of consumer choices but not the overwhelming and ridiculous amount here.
People shopping in small amounts for what they need that day. Rather than huge hauls from Costco?
And the universal and affordable healthcare. Which was not the single-payer free-at-service nonsense that some US politicians claim everywhere in the world' has. (Dear Bernie, NOBODY in the world has that!) Paid out of your local social security tax equivalent if employed, or about $60 US per month to buy into it if neither employed nor on benefits. Small "ticket charges" for physicians, labs, imaging, and about a $40 US ticket charge for the hospital ER. ZERO charge for hospital stay and all labs, tests, etc during that stay.
Mandatory voting with real competing parties and coalitions of parties. Military used almost only for UN peacekeeping.
There were frustrating times, and I personally had family reasons to return. But I still miss it, and sometimes envy those of my Uruguayan friends who could afford to travel to the US and my US friends that could afford homes in Uruguay while keeping a home also in the US.
One learns in ones bones that the US way is not the only way.
The grocery thing is probably the universal experience when moving from a country where the average person has a high disposable income to low. There are simply more choices.
The grocery thing is probably the universal experience when moving from a country where the average person has a high disposable income to low. There are simply more choices.
I mean, if you are traveling as a tourist, things seem cheap, but to a local who works there, maybe not.
Westerners always say China is very cheap to visit, but as a former Guangzhou resident, when I was a kid, my parents had to work all the time and I rarely got to spend time with them. And we lived in a very shitty slum neighborhood. Locals don't really share the same experience.
I think the people who are on work visas are just doing English teaching, very comfortable job, or maybe even some "White Monkey Job" that pays a lot.
Most Chinese people cannot teach English... so there's that...
I love visiting China but I don't really see much of a reason to want to live there
Tbh I don't even feel safe re-visiting, unless I get magically body-swapped into a white dude or something.
From what I've heard, ethnic Chinese holding foreign citizenship still effectively gets treated as Chinese. I'm more likely to get exit-banned than some random white dude.
Also, I kinda feel sus about my parents. They jokingly threatened to send me back to China because "The West" is becoming "harmful" to me... I'm like... bitch what you mean... you literally brought me here, the fuck?
I read some news about involuntary psychiatric treatments and I'm just terrified af. I'm pretty sure they have connections back home.
My fear is that, and to be clear, this is just my own fears, not saying that this will happen, but I fear that my parents could get me exit-banned and bribe some corrupt doctor to declare me insane or something and force involuntary ECT or someshit like that and wipe my memories of their emotional abuse/neglect. But again, that's just my fears, I hope they aren't secretly that controlling/manipulative.
Here in the US, they are nobodys, they don't have the Guanxi to do weird things, so its harder for them to weaponize the government's tentacles against me. Things have to go through the courts and unlike China, they can't just do involuntary treatments without a court order.
Sometimes my mom forgets we're in the US and still try shenanigans with the court system, I've seen it first hand, fucking crying in court because she got an unfavorable judgement. Bruh, shenanigans don't work here. (not unless you're part of the 1%, which we are not)
Brazilian here, your point about cars is very nice, but, as much as compact hatches are still the biggest sellers, Brazil has unfortunately been suffering very hard with the whole "SUVfication" bullshit. It's to the point where some car manufacturers will just make a small hatch family car slightly larger, give it like 3 more inches of ground clearance, somewhat bigger wheels, and then call it an SUV, and all the soccer moms flock to it like lemmings (this is the entire philosophy behind the Renault Kardian. It's literally just a Gen III Dacia Sandero with different body panels and lights that is a little taller off the ground).
If you mean that "thinking" in another language influences things like your outlook and even reaction to things... you'd be correct. It's been studied and documented that with every language you learn, you also get something of a personality upgrade that comes with being able to understand and convey concepts specific to that language.
It's not exactly as elaborate as gaining an whole new pov, but it's nonetheless similar.
Learning a second language sorta unlocked a new 'personality' for me, it's kinda weird and was pretty huge. My third language didn't seem to change much? Though it might be because it was german and I don't feel like I will ever truly master it
I’ve studied Spanish (I’m basically fluent), a bit of Japanese on my own in high school along with a bunch of random false starts in other languages like German (and a stint learning Esperanto).
It wasn’t until my 30’s when I started learning Mandarin that my brain was like “holy shit, this is different!”
I tend to prefer Asian languages because they make more sense to me — all the conjugating and irregularities in European languages just make me crazy.
I don't feel like nobody can understand my POV. I grew up moving country to country and my classmates growing up led similar lives and probably had similar POVs. It was only in college that I realized most people lived their whole childhoods in one city, not counting vacations.
I think you'd be interested in looking into the concept of "Third Culture Kids". I think the original book may be a bit outdated and lack some of the complexity of modern globalization, but it definitely made me realize a lot of things about myself when I read the book the first time way back.
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