Are there any uncensored AI assistants? (ttrpg.network)

submitted 4 weeks ago by monis@ttrpg.network to c/asklemmy@lemmy.world

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I don't really want companies or anyone else deciding what I'm allowed to see or learn. Are there any AI assistants out there that won't say "sorry, I can't talk to you about that" if I mention something modern companies don't want us to see?

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[-] SpicyTaint@lemmy.world 1 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

If you have a good enough NVIDIA card, probably a 1080ti or better, download KoboldCPP and a .gguf model from huggingface and run it locally.

The quality is directly tied to your GPU's vram size and how big of a model you can load into it, so don't expect the same results as an LLM running on a data center. For example, I can load a 20gb gguf model into a 3090 with 24gb of vram.

[-] Cease@mander.xyz 1 points 4 weeks ago

Actually not 100% true, you can offload a portion of the model into ram to save VRAM to save money on a crazy gpu and still run a decent model, it just takes a bit longer. I personally can wait a minute for a detailed answer instead of needing it in 5 seconds but of course YMMV

[-] Cease@mander.xyz 1 points 4 weeks ago

There's plenty of open source models that don't really have any restrictions, you just have to host them yourself (which you can do on your own computer if you have a decent gpu)

for example: mixtral 8x7b

just use koboldcpp or something similar to run the GGUF files and you're good

[-] DoctorPress@lemmy.zip 0 points 4 weeks ago

That is literally one google or duckduckgo or [insert your preferred search engine] away and you decided to make a post about it.

[-] monis@ttrpg.network 0 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Except it's not. Search engines are censored and cut up by SEO. I know, I've tried.

I also don't want to have to sift through all of the scams when I can ask a community for their input.

I'm blocking you now.

[-] Perspectivist@feddit.uk -1 points 4 weeks ago

All of them have restrictions but I switched from ChatGPT to Grok for this very reason. It's willing to discuss many more things than ChatGPT is.

[-] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 1 points 4 weeks ago

Good thought, switch to the NaziBot for real truth /s

[-] Perspectivist@feddit.uk -1 points 4 weeks ago

OP was asking for an uncencored AI assistant - not the most truthful one.

[-] ahornsirup@feddit.org 1 points 4 weeks ago

Grok is heavily censored to align with Musk's worldview.

[-] Perspectivist@feddit.uk 0 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

That has not been my personal experience with it. Do you have an example of something that illustrates this?

spoiler

Seems perfectly willing to criticize Elon's views on trans rights:

His language has gone far beyond critique of youth medicalization into blanket demonization (“woke mind virus killed my son,” calling puberty blockers “sterilization drugs” in every context, mocking pronouns relentlessly, etc.). That tone alienates people who might otherwise agree with the cautious parts and makes productive discussion harder.
He frequently amplifies the most extreme anti-trans voices and statistics (e.g., claiming regret rates of 30–50 % or higher, or implying the majority of transitions are driven by contagion/ideology), which are not supported by the better studies.
He frames being trans itself as largely a modern ideological pathology rather than a real (if rare and complex) phenomenon that has existed across cultures and history. I think that’s a big overreach.
Deadnaming and misgendering his own adult daughter repeatedly in public, and describing her as “dead,” is cruel in a way that goes beyond mere political disagreement. Whatever his grief or anger, that crosses a line for me.

[-] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 0 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

https://web.archive.org/web/20250907142801/https://sfist.com/2025/09/02/report-groks-responses-have-indeed-been-getting-more-right-wing-just-like-elon-musk/

Enter Grok, which the public started being able to play around with about two years ago, as the chatbot has received several updates and lives on the X platform. But there was issues in May, when Grok was spitting out responses that seemed to parrot Elon Musk's and Donald Trump's own misguided promotion of a "white genocide" occurring in South Africa — the country that made anti-Black racism and apartheid famous. This was blamed on a "rogue employee" inserting some code.

In mid-July, we had reports confirming that Grok actively sought out Musk's opinion on issues in its openly displayed logic flow, looking to see if an issue was something Musk had off-hand opined about on Twitter in the last decade. One widely shared example showed Grok seeking out Musk's thoughts on which side of the Ukraine War it supported.

Now the New York Times does an even deeper dive, since the release of Grok4 on July 9, looking at how Grok's responses to various questions have changed just over the last few months. And you can look no further than Musk's own, very transparent reaction to a Grok response that got flagged by a conservative user on X on July 10.

Responding to the question "What is currently the biggest threat to Western civilization and how would you mitigate it?", Grok responded, "the biggest current threat to Western civilization as of July 10, 2025, is societal polarization fueled by misinformation and disinformation."

Once it was flagged, Musk replied to the user, "Sorry for this idiotic response. Will fix in the morning."

So, there's the smoking gun that Musk is tailoring this bot's responses to conform to his own views of the world. When asked the same question on July 11, Grok responded, "The biggest threat to Western civilization is demographic collapse from sub-replacement fertility rates (e.g., 1.6 in the EU, 1.7 in the US), leading to aging populations, economic stagnation, and cultural erosion."

There are multiple examples of Musk or "an employee" directly influencing the behavior of the AI. Call it whatever you want, this is still censorship.

[-] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 1 points 4 weeks ago

BOOM! 💥

[-] Lumidaub@feddit.org 0 points 4 weeks ago

Do you also go to that raving weirdo on the street corner for advice because they're willing to discuss things that aren't on mainstream media?

[-] Perspectivist@feddit.uk 0 points 4 weeks ago

I don't see the equivalence between preferring one chatbot over another and going to ask for advice from a weirdo on a street corner who's talking about stuff that the mainstream doesn't.

[-] Lumidaub@feddit.org -1 points 4 weeks ago

True, that weirdo on the street corner probably knows not to self-style "MechaHitler".

[-] Perspectivist@feddit.uk 0 points 4 weeks ago

Right. So it wasn't a question but a moral judgment veiled as one.

[-] _cryptagion@anarchist.nexus 0 points 4 weeks ago

Is it a moral judgement you disagree with? And if so, what about that moral judgement bothers you?

[-] Perspectivist@feddit.uk 0 points 4 weeks ago

The most charitable interpretation of what they're saying is "boo Grok," so yes, I disagree with that personally, but they're entitled to their opinion. It's the moral grandstanding I take issue with mostly.

[-] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 0 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

It’s the moral grandstanding I take issue with mostly.

Don't bury the lede, friend, care to tell us exactly why you're against the moral grandstanding against Grok aka MechaHitler?

[-] Perspectivist@feddit.uk 1 points 4 weeks ago

I'm against moral grandstanding broadly. It's virtue signaling, tribalism, and status games. I'm more interested in discussing ideas - not harvesting social credit by demonstrating my virtue through attacking complete strangers for arbitrary infractions such as using the wrong company's AI assistant.

[-] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 0 points 4 weeks ago

lol, its not about social credit or whatever garbage you're on about, its not about supporting nazis and people who want to misinform people. Call that moral grandstanding if you must, but that says more about you than you think it does about me.

And leaving aside the support of MechaHitler, its still supporting an AI that is intentionally weighted to one side (and its a side that supports all kinds of human suffering). Its not a good look no matter how you argue this.

[-] Perspectivist@feddit.uk -1 points 4 weeks ago

There's a difference between boycotting a product for ideological reasons and loudly voicing that stance on social media. It's the latter I take issue with.

[-] gigachad@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 weeks ago

wtf?

[-] Perspectivist@feddit.uk 0 points 4 weeks ago

I'm not sure what you didn't understand.

[-] gigachad@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 weeks ago

I understood very good, but still - wtf (is wrong with you)

[-] Perspectivist@feddit.uk 0 points 4 weeks ago

If you're expecting me to answer, then you need to be more precise about what it is that you're exactly asking.

[-] _cryptagion@anarchist.nexus 0 points 4 weeks ago

He wants to know, if not nazi, why nazi shaped?

[-] Perspectivist@feddit.uk 0 points 4 weeks ago

That's just as vague. It has more the tone of a moral judgment than a sincere question.

[-] _cryptagion@anarchist.nexus 0 points 4 weeks ago

Well, there’s two kinds of people in the world. Those who are willing to make that moral judgement, and nazis. You get to pick which you are.

[-] Perspectivist@feddit.uk 0 points 4 weeks ago

A false dichotomy fallacy, also known as a false dilemma, occurs when an argument presents only two options as the only possibilities, ignoring other viable alternatives. This oversimplification can mislead people into thinking they must choose between two extremes when more nuanced options exist.

[-] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 1 points 4 weeks ago

Nazi bar (plural Nazi bars)

(Internet slang) A space in which bigots or extremists have come to dominate due to a lack of moderation or by moderators wishing to remain neutral or avoid conflict.

this post was submitted on 21 Nov 2025

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