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[-] shifty@leminal.space 16 points 4 months ago
[-] aurelar@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 months ago

Thanks for making it easy, friend. It takes a lot of clicking to turn this stuff off lol.

[-] FaceDeer@fedia.io 7 points 4 months ago

I'm not seeing where any of this gives Google permission to train AI using your data. As far as I can see it's all about using AI to manage your data, which is a completely different thing. The word "training" appears to originate in Dave Jones' tweet, not in any of the Google pages being quoted. Is there any confirmation that this is actually happening, and not just a social media panic?

[-] MDCCCLV@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 months ago

The only option is smart features, on or off. That requires Google to read the email to categorize them and do a lot of basic stuff. It doesn't let you narrowly have more privacy on specific features. It's all or nothing, and if you get a lot of emails then it's hard to turn it off if you already use categories. Google always does all or nothing because they know people need some of it, same with location. It has to be precise location tracking to use things, you can't just do rough location.

[-] FaceDeer@fedia.io 1 points 4 months ago

Yes, but the point is that granting Google permission to manage your data by AI is a very different thing from training the AI on your data. You can do all the things you describe without also having the AI train on the data, indeed it's a hard bit of extra work to train the AI on the data as well.

If the setting isn't specifically saying that it's to let them train AI on your data then I'm inclined to believe that's not what it's for. They're very different processes, both technically and legally. I think there's just some click-baiting going on here with the scary "they're training on your data!" Accusation, it seems to be baseless.

[-] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 months ago

Understand that basically ANYTHING that "uses AI" is using you for training data.

At its simplest, it is the old fashioned A/B testing where you are used as part of a reinforcement/labeling pipeline. Sometimes it gets considerably more bullshit as your very queries and what would make you make them are used to "give you a better experience" and so forth.

And if you read any of the EULAs (for the stuff that google opted users into...) you'll see verbiage along those lines.

Of course, the reality is that google is going to train off our data regardless. But that is why it is a good idea to decouple your life from google as much as possible. It takes a long ass time but... no better time than today.

[-] meejle@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Not that I've seen, no.

[-] cb900f_bodhi@lemmynsfw.com 6 points 4 months ago

Be aware that disabling this also disables categories in your email. It really sucks that they tied those together. But I need to get away from gmail anyway...

[-] artyom@piefed.social 1 points 4 months ago

Good news, I already had that disabled

[-] SnoringEarthworm@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 months ago

You have been automatically OPTED IN to allow Gmail to access all your private messages & attachments to train AI models.

"Feature"

[-] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Glad I never invested into gmail as an email platform. I have gmail only as part of my google accounts.

[-] ApeNo1@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

On the web UI they sneakily slide in the Gemini icon exactly where the settings icon is after about 2 seconds of loading the page which caught me out for the first account I was updating. Really annoying.

[-] fizzle@quokk.au 3 points 4 months ago

I'm honestly kinda surprised that Google is apparently not in fact doing this already and (according to the comments here) continues to not do so.

[-] Prove_your_argument@piefed.social 3 points 4 months ago

They don’t give a shit about what the law or terms say. They’ll just do whatever and if caught pay pennies on the dollar in fines.

We’ve seen them do this and win time and time again with the google library project and other actions. All the AI companies are training on any and all data they have access to, laws be damned. It’s the MO for any new venture capital / tech project with unlimited profits if someone gets there first.

[-] aurelar@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 months ago

It would be par for the course if they just ignored the settings changes when it comes to training their AI on your data, and you're just turning off your access to the AI features instead.

[-] Toto@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Did I miss the part where they link how to opt out?

Edit: Instructions

[-] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I logged into my GMail account for the first time in years due to this (I normally just use it as an IMAP server.) The "smart features" were already turned off.

It would certainly be nice if we could have sources of information about these kinds of privacy issues that didn't lie their asses off constantly to create hysteria, but I guess that's too much to ask for.

Glad I have uBlock installed so at least this site didn't get any ad revenue from me.

[-] madjo@feddit.nl 2 points 4 months ago

That site is cancer on mobile. Can anyone TLDR this article for me?

[-] pupbiru@aussie.zone 1 points 4 months ago

i closed reader view and scrolled just to see and wow the POPUPS and 50% of the page length being ads

WHAT

who uses the internet like this and finds it acceptable?!

[-] Xenny@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

I just opted out of Gmail

[-] Minimac@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 months ago

I deleted Gmail I won’t go there ever again

[-] kazerniel@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

I already disabled all that "smart" crap years ago.

[-] LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

Does anyone have a good in depth guide on how to de-google? My ultimate goal is to not use Google at all and use Graphene OS on my Pixel

[-] Scolding7300@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLR_ghQEN2SgB5ZpiIIzlJvtXhXHfEf1M7

TheHatedOne on YT has some good resources

You can also find degoogle lists with alternatives for each app, e.g. here: https://git.tycrek.com/archive/degoogle

My advice to you is to take one step at a time, explore at your own pace. It's easy to get overwhelmed, but IMO each step is beneficial on its own. E.g. instead of moving to Proton.me in one night (or any other email provider), first start by forwarding the emails and see if you're ok with the product

[-] halfsak@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

There's no guide since everyone's use case is different, and 100% is only obtainable if you avoid all tech. GrapheneOS or buy an iPhone are the best options. I went the grapheneos route, but I still use google play services as I found its the safest way to still get apps for now, and the disconnect from google is still much more than using stock android. I moved email to proton, maps I use OsmAnd.

[-] LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

Oh nice. Can you still install banking/credit card apps with Graphene? I've heard it can be a pain in the ass to get around

[-] halfsak@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

I don't use any banking apps, but from what I've seen on forums it can be hit or miss depending on the bank. I only use their webpages. If my bank required an app, I'd find a different bank.

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