Poverty is caused by a lack of money.

"People with a reasonable income aren't poor."

"People get out of poverty faster when poverty is 100% optional"

More news at 11.

every UBI study has had positive results, but let's run a few more just to be sure..

What a concept!

So the cure to poverty was money all along?

People in poverty no longer live in poverty once they have an income that provides for the necessities?

Holy shit, who knew?

I summarized the two readings of the bill. (Claude AI did, really)

The first speech from the Sponsor (February 8, 2022)

Senator Pate gave a speech introducing Bill S-233, which would create a national framework to implement a guaranteed livable basic income program in Canada. She argued that poverty is a major social issue that needs to be urgently addressed. The COVID-19 pandemic has exacerbated income inequality and disproportionately affected marginalized groups. A guaranteed livable income could improve health, social, and economic outcomes for low-income Canadians.

The speech outlined how poverty puts people at greater risk of poor health, food insecurity, and homelessness. COVID-19 has spotlighted these vulnerabilities, as lower-income groups have suffered higher mortality rates. Senator Pate cited research showing guaranteed income pilots reduced hospital visits and improved participants' health. She argued a national program is feasible, building on existing supports like the Canada Child Benefit. Costs could be offset by reducing other programs and realizing savings in areas like healthcare.

There is growing momentum for guaranteed income, with support across party lines. Public opinion also favors it. Senator Pate positioned the bill as responding to decades of calls to action on poverty reduction. She appealed to fellow Senators to stop perpetuating myths about poverty and act boldly to implement this long-overdue policy. The speech was a compelling case for guaranteed income as a powerful tool for promoting equity and dignity.

The Response (April 18, 2023)

Senator MacDonald responded to Senator Pate's speech introducing Bill S-233, which would create a framework for a guaranteed basic income (GBI) program in Canada. He commended Senator Pate's advocacy for the poor, but expressed concerns about the bill's lack of detail and fiscal implications.

Senator MacDonald outlined analyses questioning the affordability and sustainability of a GBI program. He cited research suggesting it could cost hundreds of billions annually, require tax increases, and reduce work incentives. Senator MacDonald also noted provincial studies concluding GBI is too costly and ineffective for poverty reduction compared to targeted measures.

Given Canada's debt and deficits, Senator MacDonald argued the country cannot realistically consider implementing GBI currently. He contended the solution is generating wealth through natural resource development, not expanding welfare states. Senator MacDonald suggested Conservatives could support GBI to replace current programs if fiscal conditions improve under a future Conservative government.

In conclusion, Senator MacDonald maintained Conservatives oppose Bill S-233. While GBI aims are laudable, he believes the bill's lack of detail and Canada's finances make it unrealistic presently. He advocated defeating the bill or sending it to committee for further scrutiny.

Discussion last Tuesday (Oct 17)

I'll put up a summary of the transcript once it becomes available or if I can extract it from the video.

Mind = blown

I feel like the ratio of people who think this is obvious, is a bit higher than those who understand how this is also a net gain to society.

Isn't that what 'trickle down economics' was supposed to be? Give tons and tons of money to the richest people and eventually some of all that money will eventually trickle down to the poor people at the bottom? Wasn't the problem that there was never enough money to make this system work?

According to conservatives, the problem with trickle down economics is not that the idea failed ... it was always a lack of money.

How freaking stupid does the most highly educated people in our government have to be to think that giving money to rich and not giving it to the poor makes sense?

Either they are completely inept and ignorant ... or they are complicit and understand that coddling the rich gives everyone in power a kickback to maintain the status quo.

No shit.

Thanks, Captain Obvious!

isn't that what livable means?

I heard another Ontario senator said dogs without fur get cold faster. Crazy times.