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[-] BarbecueCowboy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 64 points 4 days ago

The inclusion of Mycelium as a plant here is very triggering.

[-] Agent641@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago

One day, mycelium may be able to prove that it is not the only conscious lifeform on earth.

[-] bobo@lemmy.ml 28 points 4 days ago

But the inclusion of Peter Wohlleben as a plant makes perfect sense?

[-] Lumisal@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago

Of course; he's the other kind of plant. Mycelium is neither.

Didn't make this, so only a guess, but the concept of plants "communicating" via mycorrhizae is probably why it's there.

[-] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 40 points 4 days ago

I'd wish my plant scream when they need something so they would stop the fucking dying.

[-] Akrenion@slrpnk.net 11 points 3 days ago

As a cat keeper.

Oh no you don't. Little shits think that I control the weather.

[-] PrincessTardigrade@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

Can confirm. My cat literally yells at me when it's raining bc she doesn't like going to the screened in porch while it rains. I guess they see us use the sinks and shower and assume that we control the rain as well

[-] m_f@discuss.online 38 points 5 days ago

It all depends on what you mean by "conscious", which IMO doesn't fall under "Maybe everything is conscious" because that's wrongly assuming that "conscious" is a binary property instead of a spectrum that humans and plants are both on while clearly being at vastly different levels. Maybe I just have a much looser definition of "conscious" than most people, but why don't tropisms count as a very primitive form of consciousness?

[-] AnarchoEngineer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Personally, I’m more a fan of the binary/discrete idea. I tend to go with the following definitions:

  • Animate: capable of responding to stimuli
  • Sentient: capable of recognizing experiences and debating the next best action to take
  • Conscious: aware of the delineation between self and not self
  • Sapient: capable of using abstract thinking and logic to solve problems without relying solely on memory or hardcoded actions (being able to apply knowledge abstractly to different but related problems)

If you could prove that plants have the ability to choose to scream rather than it being a reflexive response, then they would be sentient. Like a tree “screaming” only when other trees are around to hear.

If I cut myself my body will move away reflexively, it with scab over the wound. My immune system might “remember” some of the bacteria or viruses that get in and respond accordingly. But I don’t experience it as an action under my control. I’m not aware of all the work my body does in the background. I’m not sentient because my body can live on its own and respond to stimuli, I’m sentient because I am aware that stimuli exist and can choose how to react to some of them.

If you could prove that the tree as a whole or that part of a centralized control system in the tree could recognize the difference between itself and another plant or some mycorrhiza, and choose to respond to those encounters, then it would be conscious. But it seems more likely that the sharing of nutrients with others, the networking of the forest is not controlled by the tree but by the natural reflexive responses built into its genome.

Also, If something is conscious, then it will exhibit individuality. You should be able to identify changes in behavior due to the self referential systems required for the recognition of self. Plants and fungi grown in different circumstances should respond differently to the same circumstances.

If you taught a conscious fungus to play chess and then put it in a typical environment, you would expect to see it respond very differently than another member of its species who was not cursed with the knowledge of chess.

If a plant is conscious, you should be able to teach it to collaborate in ways that it normally would not, and again after placing it in a natural environment you should see it attempt those collaborations while it’s untrained peers would not.

Damn now I want to do some biology experiments…

[-] stray@pawb.social 12 points 4 days ago

Conscious: aware of the delineation between self and not self

I don't know whether this applies to plants and fungi, but it applies to just about every animal. There's a minimum basic sense of self required in distinguishing one's own movements from the approach of an attacker. Even earthworms react differently when they touch something vs when something touches them.

[-] AnarchoEngineer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 4 days ago

Yes most definitely, I’d imagine most animals are conscious.

In fact my definition of sapience means several animals like crows and parrots and rats are capable of sapience.

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[-] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 16 points 4 days ago

it could be several spectra and what we call consciousness is a series of multiple phenomena

[-] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 7 points 4 days ago

I'm inclined to believe every dynamic interconnected system is "conscious" to some degree. Not 1:1 with human consciousness obviously, but the same base phenomenon.

The main problem is that there aren't very good metrics to distinguish how primitive a consciousness is. Where do you draw the line between consciousness and reflex? Is each of your cells conscious in its own impossibly tiny way?

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[-] edinbruh@feddit.it 24 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Wouldn't it be cool tho? You could go up to a tree that's super old and ask it about the world, and it would take an entire day to spell a word in a language you don't understand. And house plants would be chit chatting and making all kinds of noise inaudible to us, kinda like WiFi, but with sound instead of light. It's like a fantasy setting

[-] srestegosaurio@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 4 days ago

When I was a little kid my mother always stopped by ancient trees to admire them. "Imagine if it could tell us what it has seen".

I think there's plot material in your comment.

[-] FishFace@piefed.social 8 points 4 days ago

There is and it's called The Lord of the Rings...

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[-] theneverfox@pawb.social 5 points 3 days ago

That's basically just how it is though. This meme is not at all supported by science

[-] ameancow@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago

You're basically describing elephants.

They have a deep, rich language of sub-acoustic rumbling and vibrations that can travel long distances. They have names for each other, and they have words for things like "human" and "bad human."

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[-] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 27 points 5 days ago

It's also worth noting that science can't prove humans are conscious.

There's a reason it's called "the hard problem."

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[-] LanguageIsCool@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

What is this? The 17th century? Descartes’ machine view of everything nonhuman?

[-] Agent641@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

What does old stumps mean?

[-] TheTurner@lemmy.zip 10 points 3 days ago

When a tree is cut down or falls over due to age, the surrounding trees can help keep the stump and root network alive long beyond what we think is possible.

[-] pruwybn@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 4 days ago

Maybe everything is conscious

Panpsychists unite!

[-] j4k3@piefed.world 13 points 5 days ago

Gish gallop
A rhetorical technique in which a dishonest speaker lists a string of falsehoods or misleading items so that their opponent will be unable to counter each one and still be able to make their own counterpoints.

[-] witty_username@feddit.nl 8 points 4 days ago
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[-] v4ld1z@lemmy.zip 7 points 4 days ago

Average omni trying to dismantle veganism by claiming that plants are conscious/sentient to justify eating animals

[-] Zacryon@feddit.org 18 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Just a little nitpick: vegans are omnivores too. Afaik, being omnivorous describes the biological ability to digest plant matter and meat. Voluntarily restricting ones diet for whatever reason does not remove this ability.

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