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submitted 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) by zlatiah@lemmy.world to c/showerthoughts@lemmy.world

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Native speakers of my mother tongue do not all understand each other due to some pretty extreme dialects. Now that I'm in Europe, I've noticed multiple instances of people sometimes not understand the dialect of someone from a village 10-20 km away...

In contrast, for example most American, British, and Australian people can just... understand each other like that?? I never thought much about it before but it's pretty incredible

Edit: thanks everyone, and clearly I didn't think of certain parts of the UK when I was in the shower and thought of this...

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[-] e0qdk@reddthat.com 10 points 2 weeks ago

I had a roommate from Manchester (UK) for a couple months back in college. I'm American (US). He seemed to have no trouble understanding me, but I usually couldn't understand what he said without him repeating it multiple times.

[-] serpineslair@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Perhaps that has something to do with American's being all over social media/most influencers?

[-] e0qdk@reddthat.com 4 points 2 weeks ago

My guess was that it was probably due to Hollywood, but some form of mass communication, almost certainly.

[-] HK65@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I would rather guess colonialism. Germans living 150 km from each other not understanding each other is because their languages were organically evolving from some 1000 year old protolanguage with barely any communication in medieval times.

The reason the world speaks English is because a relatively small group of speakers from within England colonised the world and kept communications up with those past colonies to this date.

India or the US didn't have as much time to diverge from old colonial English as Bayern had time to do so from proto-German. Add to it that a sizeable chunk of the colonies are still Commonwealth.

[-] smh@slrpnk.net 7 points 2 weeks ago

I remember having to interpret for my boyfriend when we drove through the Western end of Virginia. The accents get thick out in Appalachia. We're both native speakers, he's even from Virginia, but by the coast.

[-] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 weeks ago

me and my wife have this dynamic. i'm from southern appalachia and she cannot understand the shanendoah or allegheny accent at all. if i say something particularly idiomatic she'll ask me what i mean because our verb syntaxes carry a little extra information AND we have tonals

[-] Witchfire@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Parisians will never stop complaining about québécois. They even show subtitles in France when they speak québécois on TV. None of the French Canadians I know seem to have any issue understanding traditional French though.

Edit: Spanish is another language where we can mostly understand each other despite very varied dialects

[-] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Parisians will never stop complaining about québécois.

Because Paris French has a group keeping it consistent, whereas Quebecois has no regulation and it's just driven by vapid famewhores making idiot memes popular (just like English).

I worked with someone in Ottawa who was from France. She went to Gatineau (Quebec), and tried to order a cheeseburger. They could not communicate effectively in French and had to both switch to English. The struggle is not imagined.

Also, My high-school French was Quebecois, but my Uni-level French was Caribbean. I cannot speak Quebecois any more even more than I can barely speak French any longer.

[-] olbaidiablo@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 weeks ago

Quebecois is definitely difficult. I can understand people the next province over (New Brunswick) no problem as they tend to speak slower and many of their dialects like chiac have a lot of English words in them. But Quebecois tends to be spoken very quickly, and in some cases words run together much more. I'm a bilingual French Canadian and I have a lot of issues with that accent, which is strange as my family mostly came from Quebec originally. My grandfather, whose first language was French could watch tv from France and understand it perfectly, but had a lot of trouble with Radio-Canada reporters.

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[-] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

The overwhelming consensus here is that a strong brogue Scottish accent is the main exception.

[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

Oh you've never had to deal with a Scottish person before I see.

[-] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 weeks ago

Binging limmys show will fix that for you

[-] antonim@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 weeks ago

Idk, I recently heard some thick Scottish English and I couldn't understand literally anything. That might be in part due to the fact that I'm not a native speaker, but still I believe people outside the British isles would struggle with it.

Some of the uniformity is a result of cultural domination of specific centres and now unavoidable loss of original dialectal variation.

[-] KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 weeks ago

Was it Scottish English or Scots? The line between the two is blurry because intelligibility varies a lot

[-] antonim@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 weeks ago

Pretty sure it was Scottish English. Does anyone outside of super rural places actively use Scots anyway?

[-] KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 weeks ago

Are you confusing Scots and Scottish Gaelic? Scottish Gaelic is the one that's spoken in the western isles, Scots is across most of the rest of Scotland, including big cities

Scots is hard to tell from English sometimes because Scots has undergone near language death, where it adopted more and more features from English as it was taken over, and Scots was regarded for a decent while as nothing but bad English

[-] Tujio@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

When I was in Glasgow I couldn't understand anybody older than 40.

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[-] rekabis@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 weeks ago

Have you ever heard Scottish person speak?

Like, seriously nards-deep into full Scottish brogue? It’s like a language that bears zero resemblance to the English language.

Although TBH, have a pretty readheaded lass talk to me in Scottish, and fuck me she could read the phone book and I wouldn’t give a shit I’d just be sitting there catching flies trying to soak it all in.

Relevant example

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[-] Krauerking@lemy.lol 4 points 2 weeks ago

Wow, lots of people picking out whole regions to say they cant understand and i... Have never had that problem. Honestly, really, english is easy to catch the ear and even people who barely speak it can usually get legible words out. You never make the sounds accidentally.
I'm not a big fan of mumbly accents, its just lazy about the sounds but if you've ever understood grumbling and mumbling you can get any accent.

(Note: not true for dialects that have their own local words for things)

[-] gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 weeks ago

Every dialect has their own words for things

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[-] Underwaterbob@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Do we? I remember watching movies like Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels when I was younger and never having a clue what they were talking about.

[-] 667@lemmy.radio 3 points 2 weeks ago

Well, part of that is owed to the fact they were basically using a speaking code, Cockney.

[-] Auli@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 weeks ago

Really never had an issue.

[-] gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Yeah, like yesterday I was talking to my American friends about football on the telly, and then after I ate my crisps and chips, I went and had myself some tea with tea and muffins

[-] Katrisia@lemmy.today 3 points 2 weeks ago

I've got virtual friends or acquaintances in different parts of Argentina, Colombia, Mexico, Spain, etc. They all conjugate some verbal times 'weirdly' or say 'funny' things, but yeah, pretty normal communication. I actually adopted some words from their regions.

(No, I still won't celebrate a fucking day for the Spanish speaking world, friend from Spain that leans a little heavily into Hispanism...).

Are you talking about Arabic? I understand it changes a lot. It must be amazing to speak Arabic. The oceans of culture, of old philosophers, poets, etc.

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[-] MDCCCLV@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 weeks ago

If I don't see some authentic frontier gibberish in five seconds I'm gonna flip this goddamn table.

Ah hell, I'll do it myself.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DNC3OciAF3w

[-] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Yea I live in the Netherlands and there is a fishing village just a 15 minute bike ride away from me. If the people there speak in their own dialect I can't understand anything they say. If I drive to the north to the province Friesland, less than 100 km away, they have their own official language besides Dutch that only around 400k speak. That's less people than half of the inhabitants of Amsterdam yet Frisian is fully recognized and official and you can spend your daily life there without speaking a word Dutch even though you are still in the Netherlands. Some kids there don't even learn their first Dutch words until they go to school.

[-] melfie@lemy.lol 1 points 2 weeks ago

I think at least part of the reason why English has become an agreed upon international language is because these variations are permissible. If everyone had to speak RP, then the language wouldn’t be as accessible.

[-] The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I think it's the harsh consonant sounds. I'm not a linguist and am sure there's some term for it, but it seems like we identify words in English more from the distinct "framing" of the consonants and are more flexible about hearing variations in how the vowel sounds in between are pronounced.

For example, it's the same reason that whispering (which largely takes out tone/pitch of vowel sounds) is super easy in English, but more difficult in some other languages.

[-] KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 weeks ago

I'd also guess that the large number of vowels in English has to do with it, General American English has around 16 vowels (counting both monophthongs and diphthongs, other varieties of English have similar amounts)

I feel that when there's that many vowels, the exact quality of the vowel is less important and thus they can shift around more

[-] Longmactoppedup@aussie.zone 1 points 2 weeks ago

As an Australian, it's Irish accents that I struggle with the most.

Scottish I can deal with, probably from watching shows like Still Game and Burnistoun.

Most other UK accents are not to difficult to understand.

One odd thing, I was watching an USA wildlife documentary that was set in South Africa. I noticed they put forced subtitles on when ever the South African's spoke in English. I found that bizarre as I've never had any trouble understanding when South Africans speak English.

[-] BlueEther@no.lastname.nz 1 points 2 weeks ago

I’ve seen subtitles on both Aussie and nz English in US shows

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[-] 56_@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 weeks ago

I can still barely understand the dialect where I have now lived for ~4 years. I can just about follow the topic of the conversation if I focus hard enough. And this is in the same country that I grew up in (Scotland).

It's a very isolated place, which has allowed the old language to survive till now, though it's only the older people that still speak it, and even then it's likely still closer to english than their parents spoke.

In the larger towns nearby, the dialects have turned into an accent, with a few "cool" or useful words sprinkled in. The dialect here however, has different vowel and consonant sounds, maybe 30-50% different words (I'm just guessing), and a slightly different word order. Sadly it will die out in the next decade or so.

I guess this is pretty normal in some parts of the world, but quite rare in english.

[-] NeptuneOrbit@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

There are parts of the United States, where I am from, where the English is almost unintelligible to me. Also, I have only been to England once, for a layover that would last 24 hours. I could barely understand any of the white service workers, however the Indian service workers? I could understand them very very well.

[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 weeks ago

The white service workers probably had working class accents, while the Indian workers likely learned English in India, and therefore had a different accent

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