It's always morally correct to beat the shit out of Nazis. And if they don't like that, they can always stop being Nazis.
I so want to go back to a wave of media about brutal violence towards Nazis.
Sure, put in a moral dilemma. A little “Is it really okay for us to be doing this?” Just certify that the answer is YES.
they can always stop being Nazis
I think that's something a lot of right wing people struggle to comprehend.
Left wing violence is targeted toward those who would do us harm, i.e. Nazis. It's self defence.
Right wing violence is targeted toward those who they believe is causing harm. In their minds it's the same justification, self defence.
The difference is you can choose to be intolerant or not, you can choose to treat others with kindness or not, you can choose to be a Nazi or not. You can't choose whether you're gay, black, trans, disabled, Jewish, whatever form of "other" they have chosen.
Obviously there's also the fact that being "other" isn't harmful in any way. But that's a separate rabbithole of delusion that needs tackled.
they think we are driven by the same fears as them and that these fears are universal to the human experience rather than them not confronting and processing their traumas
I don't even believe it's traumas. Most hatred is born from lack of experience and therefore empathy. The trauma they claim is usually fantasy, to feed into the mentality that they are right to be afraid. Like the whole oppressed Christian rhetoric I was fed at an early age, it doesn't exist in the US. Pray to the guy on the cross, I won't stop you. Just don't him as an excuse for causing harm to others. You can practice your religion, but it shouldn't stop others from living their lives without fear or harm.
"they can always stop being Nazis."
Assholes:
"Well you can also stop being the thing that you're being oppressed for!"
Me:
"Stop being disabled? Yeah, no, I wish I could, but the only way I could stop being disabled is by not being alive"
Assholes:
"..."
Me:
"Oh, that's what you meant, isn't it? Cool, so you're not just a Nazi apologist, you're literally a Nazi. Good to know"
So you're saying a racist bigot is disabled? That hatred and violent behavior is inherent and unchangeable? I'm missing the point I think here.
The cure for fascism is... politically-motivated threats of brutal physical violence? That's literally fascism.
Hate this. This is not fascism. It’s arguably not even one of the tenets of fascism. That user has no clue what they’re talking about.
Appeal to force is fascist. Necessary force to prevent abuse of force isn't.
In a free society, we argue with words, not violence. We resort to force only when necessary to prevent imminent violence.
Would you agree that Nazis utilized ultraviolence frequently, from day one in 1925 or so to their defeat 20 years later, and that they made use of truncheons and fought against the same from start to finish? To stop a bad guy with a bat you need a good guy with a bat.
I can see how someone might make that assumption.
Also, please recall that Baron Blood was a vampire bat, and he was defeated by Man Bat. Full stop, I win.
Also, that's not literally fascism.
The only good Nazi is a dead Nazi
Oh, I don't know, I think the ones that have been lit on fire are alright.
Serious question though, there are now literal Nazis, dressed up and all, parading the streets of US cities. What would one risk just shooting them?
"Nazis were back your honour, what else could I do?"
I'm not advocating for this, but as a pessimist I think we are never getting these people back to reason, and they grow in numbers, and they are armed. If parading as Nazis is not seen as having crossed the red line, where does this all go? If there is only self-defense if they attack as a legitimate reason to shoot them, are we doomed to see them grow in numbers till self-defense becomes fucking impossible? Hence my question, if the first bunch of neonazis were just shot, there might have been less of them now, but what would have happened to those that shot them? Prison? Hero? Is there a jurisprudence? I haven't heard the news of a 'reverse' Kyle Rittenhouse
This is so stupid, that's not the cure for fascism, beating them with bats?! Honestly.
That's a short term treatment at best. At least drive some nails in that thing.
Providing a treatment and not a cure... Typical big pharma!
I find the analogy of the immune system useful in this respect: a tiered response, where the initial response is mainly about recruiting useful cells to the area. Some immune cells work by immobilising a pathogen and signalling to more specialist cells to come in and properly sort stuff out (prize for the most badass sounding cell is the T-killer cell). In this analogy, the people with regular bats are the ones immediately disabling the Nazi, keeping them down until the specialists with nails come along
Remember, if you sit at the table with Nazis, you're a Nazi!
So yeah, BoTh PaRtIeS strikes again, sorry
What if I'm sitting with them in order to better slip some poison in their drink when not looking?
I think that's fine, because if you do it right, you will be sitting at a table with corpses instead of Nazis. You might run into trouble with unrelated aspects of the social contract (re: dining with corpses), but at the least the Nazi problem would be solved
I would say nazism as an ideology was not defeated (yeah i know it still exists, thats not the point) by fighting. It was a long process of re-education after the war. The nazis did not woke up the next day and said: "we lost, i guess the jews are ok now"
So long as we live under the hierarchical authority of nation-states that creates the authoritative dynamic for fascism to take root, further enabled by the capitalist hegemony and the private ownership of necessity resources that keeps people reliant on these hierarchical powers, we will never truly defeat fascism. They will just run back to their hovels and bide time as the system helps them to consolidate wealth and power until they can again make their play for power.
I would say there are more Nazis now then there were in WW2, they just don't wear those uniforms, which were the best thing about the Nazis. So weird.
Only the intolerant are tolerant of intolerance.
I like that version of the phrase
Everyone is right, everyone is always right and that is why we must kill to make our vote count because everyone has to kill to make there vote count, that democracy in action!
Yeah, remember how we defeated fascism in WW2 through polite conversation
Remember how Germans tried to defeat fascism before WW2!
There were a million people in a paramilitarized group, of which many were trained soldiers from WW1.
That simple club is not the scientific answer.
Since there doesn't seem to be a plan I would even guess that science isn't even funded to cure fascism. Of course, cause who should have provided the funding?
This meme accidentally proves the point: you don’t beat authoritarianism by copying its methods.
It sure as Hell beat these fascists.
I'd pay money to watch people try to defeat fascism with nothing but bats in 2026.
Edit: I lied. I don't pay to watch anything. But I would watch a couple of ads.
This meme accidentally proves the point: you don’t beat authoritarianism by copying its methods.
Ah yes.. being morally correct will stop the fascism! Just like how it stopped fascism in WW2 and so on!
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