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[-] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 3 points 41 minutes ago

I stopped reading after "facebook"

[-] badbytes@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago

While both exchanging data supporting a fascist platform. Just saying...

[-] Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

I guess it's a little like using an Olympia-Werke typewriter in the 1930s to criticize the Nazi Party, but I feel like it's still better than staying silent

[-] ristoril_zip@lemmy.zip 4 points 4 hours ago

Yeah this guy's obliviousness is pretty amazing. "I don't think this guy is a Nazi, and because I don't think he's a Nazi, my friends are calling me a Nazi" is like... obviously that's how it would be if one were a Nazi and didn't know it.

[-] TangledHyphae@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

It's hard to convince someone who lives in a delusional fantasy land. Just because someone calls me a fag online doesn't make me one in reality.

[-] bizzle@lemmy.world 14 points 8 hours ago

No one has ever accused me of being a Nazi or a fascist so maybe this guy is the problem and not "the libs" 🤔

[-] FatVegan@leminal.space 7 points 8 hours ago

Every time someone starts a sentence with: i'm not racist, but... I remind them that i'm not racist, and i never had to prefix a sentence with it.

[-] Alphonsus@lemmy.world 1 points 37 minutes ago

Still reading meaning to your words 🙃🙄😮

[-] calliope@retrolemmy.com 172 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Many of the true-blue Nazis didn’t really see the big deal after World War II.

When I asked Herr Wedekind, the baker, why he had believed in National Socialism, he said, “Because it promised to solve the unemployment problem. And it did. But I never imagined what it would lead to. Nobody did.”
I thought I had struck pay dirt, and I said, “What do you mean, ‘what it would lead to,’ Herr Wedekind?”
“War,” he said. “Nobody ever imagined it would lead to war.”

None of them ever heard anything bad about the Nazi regime except, as they believed, from Germany’s enemies, and Germany’s enemies were theirs. “Everything the Russians and the Americans said about us,” said Cabinetmaker Klingelhöfer, “they now say about each other.”

From They Thought They Were Free: The Germans 1933-45 by Milton Mayer.

Highly recommended.

[-] plyth@feddit.org 8 points 11 hours ago

“Everything the Russians and the Americans said about us,” said Cabinetmaker Klingelhöfer, “they now say about each other.”

The meaning of that quote is suffering dearly from the current changes in global politics.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 2 points 5 hours ago

To the kind of people that pretend they don't understand historical context sure

[-] Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 67 points 1 day ago

Every time I look a little closer, it gets worse.

[-] calliope@retrolemmy.com 82 points 1 day ago

Reading that book really opened my eyes to how this kind of thing happens, how long it lasts, and how deep it goes.

The countries that think they’re safe are merely naive.

[-] Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 37 points 1 day ago

That's a really good point. It makes more sense to me to ask, "What would it take for me to do that? What would it look like?" rather than just tell myself, "I would never..."

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[-] LumiNocta@lemmy.zip 52 points 1 day ago

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck...

[-] markovs_gun@lemmy.world 8 points 11 hours ago

Salute? That's an "odd hand gesture" obviously. "My heart goes out to you!"

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[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 122 points 1 day ago

A disturbing amount of people seem to love fascism.

They don't like it to be called by name, but they do love it.

[-] Damage@feddit.it 8 points 12 hours ago

Yeah but only when it's applied to others

[-] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 61 points 1 day ago

I think there's a scene in a TV show recently where the modern day Nazi says something like "They like what I say. They just don't like the word Nazi"

Many people have a, let's say, shallow understanding of history. They believe Nazis are bad but just like axiomatically. They don't have a good definition of why, and so they don't really see it when their in-group behaves the same.

[-] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 51 points 1 day ago

The boys. They got pretty heavy handed because certain crowds weren't getting the idea.

When I started dating my now wife, my now Father In Law got into a massive argument with my wife's uncle because the uncle's a pretty unhinged version of a leftist and was arguing that his ideal form of goverment was that of a benevolent dictatorship. My FIL was flabbergasted that anyone would think that that was a good idea, not just because he's politically opposed to my wife's Uncle's idea of what constitutes benevolence, but that he would think that a strong autocratic leader would fix anything, regardless of their politics.

8 years later, here we are with my Father In Law being so loudly and unrelentingly pro-Trump it has nearly caused permanent rifts in the family, including with my wife, and nearly destroyed his marriage too. He has zero problem with Trump taking as much power as needed to push his policies through. The fucking irony of it, supporting the most blatant autocratic shift in American political history after being furious at the idea from my wife's Uncle, and it's entirely lost on him.

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[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 29 points 1 day ago

Not to get all "human nature", but there's a primal appeal of fascist rhetoric, particularly when it is couched within the urgency of media misinformation and real material economic decay.

People who are overworked, underfed, and deluged with propaganda are primed to accept the "evil foreigners have inflicted this upon you" rhetoric. The states where Republicans outperform tend to be states with large O&G based economies, with people who feel their livelihoods are predicated on petroleum production and export. Downturns in these economies are blamed on Muslims, who just happen to be the majority faith in rival oil exporting nations. The opioid crisis and its socio-economic impacts have very real material consequences to impoverished communities, but the domestic pharmaceutical industry employs and enriches a lot of people. So its easier to blame China than the Sackler Family, in the same way it was easier to blame Jimmy Carter and public housing policies from the 1970s than the Mega-Banks back during the '08 financial crash. High health care costs and housing / education / credit card debts are, similarly, problems that can be displaced onto migrants "stealing" limited resources and PoC getting special government subsidies offered by evil liberal socialists. And "crime" as an eternal bugaboo haunts every local news network and AM Talk Radio show in the country, justifying ever more draconian police and surveillance.

You don't even have to limit yourself to the Republican Party to find this compelling. How many liberals are fully sold on the idea that Russia, China, North Korea, and Iran are behind all of America's domestic failings? How many people were willing to throw Muslim and Transgender voters under the bus because Kamala Harris lost the 2024 election?

Fascist rhetoric is appealing because it offers a very simple, straightforward, and violently final solution to a host of perceived social problems. It promises immediate relief from your pain. It promises schadenfreude as a kind of restitution for accumulated injustices. And it promises to make you impervious to future harms, through the terror you invoke in your enemies.

It's an instinctual social response. One that aspiring politicians play on to build popular movements and seize power from sclerotic bureaucracies. And when you're feeling the impulse, it doesn't feel wicked or wrong. It feels justified and deeply satisfying.

[-] ronigami@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago

You could replace that with “evil old people” and it would be mostly correct.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 points 10 hours ago

"Evil Old People" survivor bias.

The Greenpeace was old people. The Black Panthers was old people. The anti-war movements have been old people going back centuries.

Whatever generation we're on didn't invent good politics from whole cloth.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 points 5 hours ago

Uh yes it did it's me, all my takes are the right ones and always will be

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[-] Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 60 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Nazi: But why skulls, though?

Hans: What?

N: Why skulls?

H: Well, maybe they're the skulls of our enemies.

N: Maybe, but is that how it comes across? It doesn't say next to the skull, you know, "Yeah, we killed him but trust us, this guy was horrid."

H: Well, no, but...

N: I mean, what skulls make you think of? Death, cannibals, beheading, erm pirates?

H: Pirates are fun!

N: I didn't say we weren't fun, but fun or not, pirates are still the baddies. I just can't think of anything good about a skull.

H: What about pure Aryan skull shape?

N: Even that is more usually depicted with the skin still on, whereas the allies-"

H: You haven't been listening to ally propaganda. Of course they're going to say we're bad guys.

N: But they didn't get to design our uniforms and their symbols are all, you know, quite nice, stars, stripes, lions, sickles.

H: What's so good about a sickle?

N: Well, nothing, and if there's one thing we've learnt in 1,000 miles of retreat, it's that Russian agriculture's in dire need of mechanisation.

H: Tell me about it.

N: You've got to say it's better than a skull. I really can't think of anything worse as a symbol than a skull.

H: A rat's anus?

N: Yeah, and if we were fighting an army, marching under the banner of a rat's anus I'd probably be a lot less worried, Hans.

Edit: thanks to ltxrtquq for the corrections.

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