What the hell is happening in Denmark at the moment??
First forcing the chat control topic upon Europe, now this?
I looked up their government, would have expected far right or so, but it is liberal social democrat...
So what happens here?
My bet is on a lot of bigtech ~~bribes~~ lobbying
Big Tech has no interest in chat control, though.
They vehemently opposed it from the start.
How the Danish are acting just doesn't make sense...
It's more complicated than that as control acts as a barrier to entry preventing competitive start ups entering the market and disrupting it so established players probably don't care as they can bare the cost of compliance if they have to.
But it would be the other way around:
Established players would have to completely break and rewrite their existant transport layer in the whole world, just to be able to also cover the EU. (Or leave.)
While potential new competitors would be able to design it to comply right from the start.
Don't be fooled by the party names. You have to look at the policies and consequences. Danes like to feel progressive, have left leaning stuff like free education and totalitarian measures against stuff they fear. The social democratic party remained in power after Germany moved troops into Denmark in 1940. It should tell you a lot.
There are fascists subverting every location on the political spectrum, none of them are immune. We've been trained to think in terms of "left" or "right" but these fuckers are coming at us sideways and corrupting our whole politcal spectrum at once. Don't fall for it, pay attention to actions, not labels.
Denmark resistance lasted for the whole 6 hours.
Yeah, the time it took to drive from Germany
Something is rotten in Denmark.
It isn't just Denmark. You see it here in Sweden, too. I'd be surprised if you didn't see it across Europe.
I'm not really happy with any of the big political parties here in Sweden. The Greens hate nuclear power so much they'd prefer to open up fossil fuelled power plants than keep nuclear ones up and running. The Left party work really hard to get out of the EU. These are both parties I align the best with.
The Social Democrats are just these milquetoast soft-core conservatives, pretending to care about issues but turning their coats the second they get the chance. Unfortunately they always end up leading any of the left-winged government coalitions, typically with the help from the Centre who then gets to dictate all the policies, so it just ends up being a centre-right government that sells out our welfare to private interests.
It's been like this for well over a decade at this point. Useless bunch, the lot of them.
The social democrats copied a lot of anti immigration talking points from the right because this seems to be just popular in Denmark. I guess they are just weird.
But these laws are not anti immigration, they are anti freedom in general.
How do you "ban VPNs"? That's not how software works, and VPNs are... you know, a key part of a bunch of online infrastructure. I get that they mean "ban them to bypass restrictions", but the entire point of a VPN is you can't tell from the outside what it's being used for. You may as well ban thinking about butterflies. You can write it down, but you can't enforce it.
I actually want one country to ban VPNs just so every other country can see the fallout or complete lack of enforcement
VPNs are banned in some countries. At least in practice. China comes to mind and please nobody tell me „I have a friend in China and they use one!“ That friend is either breaking the law, or a state agent or foreigner where that law doesn‘t apply. Hotels have that as part of their service for tourists because why the hell would anyone travel to a country with basically no internet? Of course they are exempt.
But Chinese citizens are absolutely not allowed to use VPNs to break through the great firewall. The overwhelming majority wouldn‘t even know how. But of course most of them know at least one person who can.
So in theory the law is useless but in practice it‘s very effective to control information. Whatever the case it‘s nothing a democracy should pursuit. Ever.
This is such an important message. We should not lull ourselves into complacency. Banning vpns will be yet another step towards a closed, non-anonymous internet where governments (and by extension companies) will force you to give up access and control over your digital life
When companies offshore dev or IT to China, do those employees get full VPN access with access to the “western” internet?
Most likely split tunnelling
But idk anything
They'll do what Russia does with their online services. Have a registration scheme with noncompliant VPNs being outright banned.
Simple when you know which dictator to copy.
I guess that works for VPN services offering servers outside the country. That's not what VPNs are, though, and you still can't ban the concept of VPNs having a connection outside the country. VPN software is available open source and all it takes for it to connect abroad is my phone with a VPN connection to my home computer being abroad.
I mean, Russia (and even China) still have people using VPNs all over the place. This (and a lot of the push for age verification and comms backdoors) reeks of barely understanding the desired result and entirely misunderstanding how the tech works.
Gotta give Denmark credit, they're really going for the Shittiest Western European Country Award. Granted, I'm from the USA and we're obviously an unmitigated disaster, but like, what the fuck are you guys doing? Competing for attention?
The UK has entered the conversation, we will not be unseated in Europe. But yeah as hard as we try we pail in comparison to you guys, hopefully your inevitable implosion will serve as a warning to the rest of us aspiring authoritarianists.. Probably not.
Some US states are in the process of banning VPNs too, though. I’m afraid the USA remains the uncontested champion of being a shitty western country and it‘s not even close.
Once again, I would like to thank stupid politicians and greedy media conglomerates for their contributions to media piracy. If not for all their hard work, we would still be playing Russian Roulette with shitty DIVX rips on Limewire.
Denmark seems to want to fuck everything up lately, what's their problem?
Until someone tells them how corporate IT works.
What is happening with Europe and the countries within it?
Give it time, there are bills proposed in some states to do the same.
Surveillance capitalism
"Oh no! We must protect the poor MPA! The poor organization that's been hell bent on policing what films and media ought to contain and ensuring the multi-million dollar corporations continue to make their millions in peace!"
~ Denmark’s Ministry of Culture, probably
(nevermind the fact that countries with anti-piracy policies have not ever proved that they "repair" the so-called "market-damage" that they purport piracy has done)
What a terrible terrible idea
utskitet av kalk och vatten...
Denmark is trying to implement a lot of straight up fascist laws lately...
maybe lemmy at large should see the commonalities between all govts of the world making these moves instead of picking on the most obvious example and taunting citizens to "do something". It's as if there's a coordinated effort to lock the lower classes down before some kind of technology creates civil unrest worldwide.
But then again, I'm just a stoopid murican who should have fixed this by now. Not aimed at you, just a relevant jumping off point for the crap that floods these threads.
I mean, logically, it would make sense to push VPNs into illegality or create a lot of gray area there if you're also planning to introduce the Aussie social media ban. Logically. I personally think both are no good.
I've read some headlines about illegal streaming being targeted and shut down in Europe. If there was lobby money invested, I suspect it is the likes of sports rights holders who would like you to pay them extortionate amounts of money and not sail the high seas for the price of a VPN.
Modstå, kære dansker.
If omnipotent deity of your choice forbid this ever lands at the ECJ I'm not sure they will side with the privacy/freedom of speech side of the argument.
It's already been taken off. The guy who requested this is a complete asshole that needs to be thrown out of office immidietly.
The whole country wants to ban VPNs?
Or just a small subset of politicians in the pocket of big corporations who see their profits melt because of their own greed?
i guess we all should have fought back on internet censorship, rather than fallen back on "well i can still vpn".
Don't worry, the EU would never let this happen....
The EU that seems to be considering the evil "chat control" law to spy on everyone's private messages? Yeah, right. Von der Leyen is a snooper at heart.
They already pulled back the part about banning VPNs last night, before this post was even made.
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