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[-] mastertigurius@lemmy.world 113 points 1 week ago

Wait, people have to censor the word Nazi now? How far down the drain of fuckedness has the US swirled? Has anyone read 1984? This is as close to newspeak as you could possibly get.

[-] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 69 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Its Twitter.

Its run by a Nazi.

And no, performative semi-censorship is not the closest thing to NewSpeak.

That would be probably be corpospeak, the art of using a lot of vague yet fancy terms to say basically nothing of any precise meaning.

Either that or what TikTok has done to psychology terminology, warping and misunderstanding so many phrases that we now have 'therapyspeak' as a similar set of vocabulary terms that have vague and undefined meanings, because so many people use them so innapropriately, so often, that they basically mean nothing in a general, non specialized context.

As an example: Trauma bond.

People seem to think this means that people who suffer together, grow a bond between each other, based in overcoming shared struggles due to / caused by external stressors.

That's not a trauma bond.

A trauma bond is more like when someone is consistently mistreated and abused by another person, that first person cannot really imagine life without that second person, without being oriented around them, so the idea of totally disconnecting from their abuser is itself existentially terrifying, and they thus paradoxically begin to defend the relationship with abuser.

[-] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I don't know, I don't think you can be a language prescriptivist like this, and it hasn't happened because of TikTok.

To your point, the Dawn Wall feat. Tommy Caldwell came out in 2017. Even back then the marriage between Tommy and his first wife was described as the result of a trauma bond due to a terrifying kidnapping situation they survived together.

It is fine to say, "Trauma Bond means X in a medical context" but if people use a word to mean something, the dictionary changes to reflect that.

[-] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I can be a language prescriptivist like this, and the increase in overuse and misuse of psychological terminology is very very significantly due to how it proliferates and warps on TikTok.

(Though of course this also occurs on other social media platforms, and bleeds over between them, and into other cultural spaces.)

(But, with TikTok specifically, we have academic studies showing that around half of the 'psychological advice' given on TikTok is significantly misleading, and a portion of that is found to be dangerously misleading, when evaluated for actual accuracy by actual psychologists. Its misinformation, definitionally.)

These are technical terms, and their broad overuse and misuse by lay people who don't know what the fuck they're talking about is a significant problem.

This is such a significant problem that many psychologists on TikTok and YouTube have videos calling out how much of a problem this is, how perverted psychology terminology is now at the point where it serves as a dialect by which narcissistic abusers can manipulate people and avoid responsibility and accountability.

I don't care that some particular story from some particular book may or may not have served as a a starting point for one of these terms to be misunderstood by laypeople, beyond an etymological sense of understanding the process by which this has occured for that particular term.

I care about the harm caused by the weaponization of language.

That a bunch of people are confused and wrong about something does not make them....valid in their misuse of words.

It makes them into psuedo-experts (where psuedo means basically 'false' or 'fake'), misusing technical terminology the same way that woo peddlers and scammers and con artists and grifters do.


NewSpeak is ultimately the concept of manipulating language such that certain previously thinkable concepts become unthinkable. In 1984, this is done in a deliberate, top down, mandated fashion.

What Orwell did not forsee (or at least, exemplify in 1984) was the nature of mass digital communications, the proliferation of basically absurd amounts of nonsense, as another means of making the communication of certain concepts very difficult.

TherapySpeak is extremely good at providing a toolset for social manipulators to criticize anyone who criticizes any of their actions or choices, of reframing themselves as either being reasonable and fair, or as themselves actually being the victim.

So, through a more complex process, it becomes much more difficult, much less socially acceptable for people who have been harmed by these kinds of manipulative people to express and describe that harm.

Orwell did not forsee that this could happen in a bottom up fashion... but its not truly a bottom up fashion.

Corporate social media uses algorithims that primarily optimize based amount the amount of rage that they cause, optimize based around the amount of controversy they cause.

Then, they crowd source the content.

Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard

Zuck: Just ask.

Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS

[Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one?

Zuck: People just submitted it.

Zuck: I don't know why.

Zuck: They "trust me"

Zuck: Dumb fucks

This functions as an insidious, warped way of manipulating all of culture such that it rewards self centered egomaniacs, and also strongly encourages the formation of literal cults.

Its a more complex way that a top down paradigm of media established by the powerful leads to the seemingly natural and unplanned growth/evolution of language...

... but its no more natural than the artificial selection of wheat or various dog breeds by humans over centuries and eons.

It just happens much faster, and seemingly unintentionally, from the standpoint of the crowd whose ideas are being selectively promoted or demoted by those who wrote and control the algorithms, the crowd that has forgotten that the water they are swimming in is an artificially constructed hyperreality, which is directed with intention by those who control it.

[-] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I agree with you about a lot of this, especially the dangers of non-expert psychology advice, but I disagree about "trauma bond" specifically, and about language prescriptivism in general.

[-] Captainautism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 week ago

We are so far down that drain we can’t see light anymore.

[-] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 week ago

We all float down here

[-] Klear@quokk.au 6 points 1 week ago

In some parts of the world it's considered a slur against fucking fascist shitheads.

[-] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Th*s cens*r sh*p g*me w*ll *nd *p w*th Engl*sh Hav*ng n* vow*ls

[-] mastertigurius@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago
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[-] vivalapivo@lemmy.today 5 points 1 week ago

No, but people in the W*ite Hous might be upset

[-] ulterno@programming.dev 3 points 1 week ago

W*ite Hous

Did you mean "Weite Haus"?

[-] nathanjent@programming.dev 5 points 1 week ago

I equated it to newspeak since the first day I heard about twitter. It's gotten closer and closer to the rest of the narrative from the book since.

[-] Ooops@feddit.org 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

No, they don't have to. But brain rot rots brains... And people nowadays have to suffer through so much worse ('unalive', 'grape' or 'pdfiles' anyone) on social media that it definitely causes damage.

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[-] hayvan@piefed.world 71 points 1 week ago

Every day nazis and religious fascists make their opponents seem cooler than they really are. Nato is nowhere near this based.

[-] FrowingFostek@lemmy.world 32 points 1 week ago

It isn't, but it could be.

[-] vga@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Nato is nowhere near this based.

Yes it is. I mean not Nato itself, but its member states are, for the most part.

[-] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 57 points 1 week ago

DEATH IS A PREFERABLE ALTERNATIVE TO HETERONORMATIVITY

[-] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago

Ok now you have me thinking of a drag liberty prime.

[-] skulblaka@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Voice module online.

Audio functionality test... initialized.

Designation: LGBT Prime. Mission: the Liberation of The Gays.

...Obstruction detected. Composition: Pinheaded bigot supplemented by authoritarian propaganda.

Revised stratagem: Initiate photonic resonance overcharge. Probability of mission hindrance: zero percent.

[-] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 week ago

I'm assuming that the original intent was that it's "non-negotiable" in the sense that it will never be allowed, but the term "non-negotiable" usually means the opposite, that it must happen....

So they're stupid?

[-] Kolanaki@pawb.social 15 points 1 week ago

So they're stupid?

Yes.

[-] xx3rawr@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 week ago

I think the original intent is "you are required to undergo gay marriage or else"

[-] llama@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 week ago

Now you're gonna gay marriage the whole pack right in front of me

[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 1 week ago

It's Putin fans, so they're probably saying NATO = homogay, and that's bad.

[-] FatVegan@leminal.space 5 points 1 week ago

Bro, there might be Americans around

I'm scared. I think they might be me.

[-] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 1 week ago

*human rights.

No matter what you identify as or what your sexual preferences are!

[-] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.org 5 points 1 week ago

I am sure you mean well but this has strong "All Lives Matter" vibes.

[-] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 week ago

I dont think that discriminatory. For me it really is applying to everyone. The upholding of this is none negotiatable!

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[-] orioler25@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Least liberal European^

[-] TheJesusaurus@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 week ago

Bahahahahaha, rare botfarm W

[-] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

Once I dreamed that there was a Japanese language book "Japanese is non-negotiable", and it was full of pro-NATO memes.

[-] Cassa@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 week ago

I remember seeing this on those nato music video style stuff - popular around 21, I dont think it was meant as a mockery then

[-] Vinylraupe@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 week ago

The whole joke is that they can ban gay marriage in Russia. Literally nobody wants to stop them. Its when you dictate your rules on other sovereign states that theres backlash.

[-] julianwgs@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 week ago

NATO should make an official slogan of it and sell t-shirts

[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 1 week ago

[Shocked Turkey and Hungary sounds]

[-] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

I think NAFO has merch with this on it.

[-] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Neo Naz? Is that some deep-cut background Star Wars character?

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