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Smart TVs with an internet connection: Lets grab screenshots and send them to cooperate analysis advertisement department.

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[-] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 34 points 3 days ago

It's called Live Plus.

If you've never heard of Live Plus before, it's a feature on LG smart TVs that uses ACR (automatic content recognition) to analyze what's displayed on your screen (via The Markup). LG then uses that data to offer "personalized services," including content recommendations and advertisements.

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On Samsung smart TVs, for example, you can disable targeted ads by going to Privacy Choices, selecting Terms and Conditions, and toggling off Viewing Information Services and Internet-Based Advertisement Services. On Roku TVs, ACR can be turned off by disabling Use info from TV inputs, which is tucked away in the settings menu under Smart TV Experience.

Saved you a click.

[-] criscodisco@lemmy.ml 133 points 4 days ago

It's going to get to the point where we'll need 3rd party open source OSes for every device in our homes.

"Your toaster is spying on you, use ToastOS instead."

[-] zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 38 points 4 days ago

Reminds me of the Cory Doctorow story Unauthorized Bread. It's as depressing as it is relevant even though it tries to shoot for hope.

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[-] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 26 points 4 days ago

I still believe this leaves a good market for a brand to just make privacy focused TVs.

If I’m buying a $1000 TV, I would pay $1100 if it means it’s just a screen and not smart.

The only obstacle is enough people wanting this.

Considers how much the average person cares

Maybe it’s a fantasy.

[-] FG_3479@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

You can already do that. Just skip the WiFi step in the setup then plug your own box into the HDMI port.

Google TV, WebOS and Tizen models let you do this, only Roku and Fire TV don't AFAIK.

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[-] HotChickenFeet@sopuli.xyz 21 points 4 days ago

I have faith that soon even 'dumb' devices will ship with small multi-year battery powered cell-connected evices that cannot be disabled, and are not part of an OS.

[-] atrielienz@lemmy.world 17 points 4 days ago

Yeah. Looks like RootmyTV is only for older models of LG TVs and that's kind of sad.

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 14 points 4 days ago

tvs are annoying to the point people recommend never connecting them to the internet and getting a raspberry pi to use as a "smart hub" sort of thing instead.

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[-] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 17 points 3 days ago

Modern electronics and computers are a nightmare.

[-] oeuf@slrpnk.net 88 points 4 days ago

I basically just assume that anything which is closed-source, networked and has sensors of any kind is a spying device. It's easier than evaluating each one individually.

[-] atrielienz@lemmy.world 90 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

It can't send screen shots if it doesn't connect to the internet. I own an LG TV and it's never been connected to a network.

For those of you who need it:

  1. Press the Settings button on your remote (the gear icon).

  2. When the side menu pops up, select Settings.

  3. Choose the General option.

  4. Scroll down and select System.

5, Select Additional Settings.

  1. Toggle Live Plus off.
[-] AnyOldName3@lemmy.world 29 points 4 days ago

Plenty of TVs are capable of radioing your neighbour's TV and piggybacking off their internet connection, so if it's not in a Faraday cage, it might be overconfident to say it's never been connected to a network.

[-] fan0m@lemmy.world 36 points 4 days ago
[-] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 28 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I don’t know if they use it on their Fire TVs but Amazon Sidewalk, for instance, does exactly what the previous commenter described.

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[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 26 points 4 days ago

You're going to need to provide some evidence for such a claim. That doesn't even sound legal.

[-] Dran_Arcana@lemmy.world 40 points 4 days ago

Not OP but I think this guy is remembering a scene from silicon valley, not from reality. That said it's probably not that far off. Amazon smart devices absolutely have this "feature" in production today-- and it's opt-out, not opt-in.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_Sidewalk

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 18 points 4 days ago

Thanks for that. Just another reason to be glad I've banned any Amazon devices in my house. It's already insane enough to me that people literally have to think before they speak in their own homes to avoid accidentally triggering the always-listening robo-creepy-spy in the next room.

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[-] LordCrom@lemmy.world 30 points 3 days ago

Rule #1 Do not connect tvs to wifi.

Problems solved.

[-] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 days ago

This is true, but if you want 120Hz Steam Link on your TV, it's usually the only way to achieve that.

[-] BobWehadababyitsaboy@lemmy.zip 7 points 3 days ago

I would guess theres a way to create a VLAN that blocks internet access but allows local traffic. Though you would need more advanced networking equipment and knowhow to do it.

[-] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Or put Moonlight on a Raspberry Pi and hook it up to your TV for 1440p/144hz or 4K/60hz with significantly less latency. Plus you won't require an app on the TV

[-] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago

What OS and remote are you going to use for that, though?

FWIW, I get like, maybe 14ms latency with Steam Link and that's just over WiFi, it's shockingly usable.

There's something to be said about the convenience that off-the-shelf solutions provide over custom solutions, and that's coming from someone who typically always opts for custom solutions.

[-] sobchak@programming.dev 1 points 1 day ago

I've done this in the past with Raspbian and the official Steam client, and set up Steam to launch in Big Picture mode, and used an X-Box controller to control it. Problem was my PC was old, so games would peg my CPU and give me bad latency due to poor encoding performance on the PC side.

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[-] Zerush@lemmy.ml 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

For what we see nowadays in TV, I often thought to substitute it with a Fishtank, smarter content, HD 3D, true color and no spyware

[-] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 23 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

LG doesn't make disabling Live Plus too hard, though you do have to click through a few menus. If you want to turn it off, here's how:

1. Press the Settings button on your remote (the gear icon).

2. When the side menu pops up, select Settings.

3. Chose the General option.

4. Scroll down and select System.

5, Select Additional Settings.

6. Toggle Live Plus off.

In the Settings menu on its TVs, LG says, "By turning Live Plus on, you understand that the content displayed on your TV can be recognized, and that the viewing information may be used to provide you with an enhanced viewing experience and personalized services including content recommendations and advertisements."

[-] melroy@kbin.melroy.org 20 points 4 days ago

And then fingers crossed. Since you don't know if this option is doing something at all. After all their source code is not open source.

Anyhow.. Have fun. Good luck. And it's better to fully disconnect your smart TV from the internet and wifi. And just use your own home theater computer with Linux. And don't use any of their smart features or apps.

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[-] Steve@communick.news 23 points 4 days ago

I've decided my next TV will be a Digital Sinage Display.

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[-] Zerush@lemmy.ml 14 points 4 days ago

I have an LG "Smart" TV, but because I don't use it much (view the News in the Public TV and little more) I never connected it to the WiFi, so offline this Live Plus is irrelevant for me.

[-] dogdeanafternoon@lemmy.ca 24 points 4 days ago

Not necessarily. Manufacturers have been known to use ad-hoc networks to find a path back home.

For example your neighbour gets a smart tv and connects to the internet. Now your smart tv connected to your neighbours and phones home.

[-] Auli@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 days ago

Any proof of this. First I've heard about it.

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[-] JohnBrownsBawdy@hexbear.net 14 points 4 days ago

Why are people connecting their tvs to the internet at all vs using a dedicated streaming box? Are tvs now forcing you to do so on initial setup?

I haven’t bought a tv in 10+ years - want to get another but honestly feel sketched out at the prospect of doing so.

[-] bruhbeans@lemmy.ml 9 points 4 days ago

I don't get why people reflexively suggest streaming boxes. A standalone Roku, Onn or FireTV is gonna spy on you just as much as any of these things. Apple TV is probably the best of a bad bunch (esp. since Nvidia enshittified the Shield TV). There's options like running the Shield with an alternate launcher or putting a ROM on the Fire stick or running A Linux STB but none of those are particularly accessible to the non-tech set.

[-] JohnBrownsBawdy@hexbear.net 1 points 1 day ago

I guess I wasn’t meaning to recommend one over the other, I was curious what the value proposition of connecting your tv to the internet is. (The tv I have is at least ten years old and is incredibly sluggish even changing channels - I can’t imagine using the built in apps is any better. Same with our ancient Blu-ray player, just awful to use.) Or if there is no value prop and you’re forced (or nagged) to do so in order to use your tv.

I assume that any sort of streaming is offering up a surveillance buffet. I just want to limit the data as best I can.

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[-] culpritus@hexbear.net 10 points 4 days ago

I got a nice OLED TV as my main monitor. I only connect it to the internet to run updates if I think it is necessary (there is also usually a USB option for updates too), then disconnect once that's done. Works great for sailing the seas and streaming whatever. It's unfortunate I paid for stuff that I won't use in the TV, but that's often the case with many products these days.

[-] RoabeArt@hexbear.net 10 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I don't know if it's still the case, but smart TVs were a bit cheaper than "dumb" TVs at one point, since the cost of the TV was subsidised by all the streaming platforms that paid to be included on the TV manufacturer's OS, and have a customized Netflix or Amazon logo button on the remote that opens their app.

I don't know if this is done anymore since there are hardly any dumb TVs out there being made now.

[-] Gucci_Minh@hexbear.net 10 points 4 days ago

I get the feeling they have started to double/triple dip at this point, full price + sell your data + advertise.

Luckily TCL and Hisense have made the price of panels so cheap that unless you want some fancy OLED that a 300 dollar TV is more than enough for the vast majority of people.

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