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"It didn’t go unnoticed in Frankfurt that Visa and Mastercard suspended operations in Russia in March 2022 after the invasion of Ukraine……Thirteen of the 20 countries in the euro have no domestic card scheme. You use an international operator, or you pay in cash."

It hasn't gone unnoticed that the US is threatening to invade an EU country's (Denmark) territory, either. Would a future President Trump or President Vance threaten to shut down European financial infrastructure if it opposes an annexation of Greenland? Who knows, but better to take away that opportunity for leverage.

The plan is that you can link it to your bank account or open a special account at post offices throughout the EU. There will be phone apps for payments and digital Euro debit cards. Visa/Mastercard & Apple/Google Pay typically charge 3% fees; the digital Euro will have none. That will ensure it is speedily adopted by retailers and quickly supplants the US providers. Also worth noting its technology will be 100% European only, leaving zero vulnerability/leverage to non-Europeans.

Digital euro: what it is and how we will use the new form of cash - The European Central Bank is determined to break the US grip on card payments

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[-] coriza@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

The article didn't mention but I hope they decide to implement Brazil's Pix. It was featured in some international news recently, hope there is interest then we will march forward for a unified system outside the swift network and without duplicated efforts. And about not being 100% European, I don't know the details but inside Brazil it is mediated by the Brazilian central bank but a 5min Google indicated that a standard international solution is still in development but it will work like a network of central banks, so the EU or even each country in the EU own system keep its independence. And as a network/federated system it would also be more stable since no one unilaterally can mess with it.

[-] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Extremely unlikely. It should be wero, most likely.

[-] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 44 points 2 days ago

I hope Americans are allowed to use it. I want to support hentai and to enjoy it without prudes getting in the way.

[-] Rednax@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago

The technology is based on the existing Ideal system, which is already in use by the Netherlands. It works via apps from the banks themselves. Hence, you will need an account at an European bank.

[-] CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 days ago

Balls, guess Canada is stuck using the imperial processors. I'd have loved to use a European government system

[-] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 5 points 2 days ago

You're confusing Wero with the Digital Euro. This article is about the latter.

[-] Nalivai@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

It comes to America
A bunch of Americans start using it
The provider sees a growing market and likes money.
Some pastor from Iowa sees tits on the Internet and gets offended.
Religious network of nutnobs pays for boycott ad campaign.
Provider silently or not so silently bans everything that can possibly offend christian pastors from the US.
We still need a sane payment provider

[-] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago

Why do you think some random religious person would have any influence on a payment system from the other side of the planet?

We aren't Americans, we can't just be bought.

[-] Nalivai@lemmy.world 1 points 18 hours ago

Ahahah, yeah, and you're also immune to propaganda.

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

Boycotting a service that has no fees doesn't do much.

It reminds me of when I worked in a call center. Asshole, screaming callers would demand to speak to someone else and expect me to be somehow upset that I got to get them off my line.

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[-] Nikelui@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Pastors from Iowa and like-minded censorship lovers from the US are probably not the target customers, so I doubt the efficacy of an eventual boycott.

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[-] mckean@programming.dev 11 points 2 days ago

GNU taler has been working on this, I guess someone just needs to adopt it. https://www.taler.net/en/index.html

[-] NorthoftheBorder@lemmy.ca 25 points 2 days ago

We need this for Canada too.

[-] phx@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

That was my first thought. I like every part of the article except the "European only" bit

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[-] elgordino@fedia.io 73 points 3 days ago

Visa/Mastercard & Apple/Google Pay typically charge 3% fees

Not in the EU. Visa and Mastercard have been capped to 0.5% for years.

Apple / Google pay take a small cut from the 0.5%

Diversity in payment methods would be no bad thing though. It’s amazing how Visa/Mastercard have managed to insert themselves into almost ever transaction, particularly since contactless became so prevalent.

[-] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 2 days ago

Aren't there some other fees? Some smaller shops even outright ask if you don't have cash instead.

[-] grandma@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 days ago

I am completely uninformed on card payment fees but l imagine some if this is because it's easier to underreport cash revenue to tax authorities

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[-] Sauvandu60@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 days ago

Anything thay weaken visa mastercard is good.

[-] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 77 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Ah man, I was kind of excited until it said European-only.

I thought maybe I'd be able to build a till from scratch without purchasing a software suite from IBM written in the 80s.

Right now the best I can do is accept Crypto on such a machine.

[-] 9point6@lemmy.world 54 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I mean, it's gonna ultimately have to work everywhere

People don't like having cards they can't use when they travel

It's not gonna happen right away, but I don't see how it doesn't end up that way

Edit: although reading more it might not be equivalent to the existing kinds of cards as it seems to be a debit only provision (i.e. potentially lacking a lot of the protection you get from using a credit card as your main purchasing card). Will be interesting to see how this evolves

[-] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 41 points 3 days ago

A lot of people don't even own credit cards here, so that isn't really a massive problem.

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[-] HubertManne@piefed.social 30 points 2 days ago

I never understood why countries allowed digital payments like this. It effectively is like giving up monetary soverenty. Of course later I realized its because debt has been used for currency creation now.

[-] MisterFrog@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Wait until you find out about how banks all around the world report to the bloody US IRS...

Hey IRS, how about you fuck off. As the only country who taxes non-residents (the only major country. Just the US and Eritrea...), I don't think it's appropriate for your government to be requiring our banks to hand over personal information.

[-] Anafabula@discuss.tchncs.de 44 points 2 days ago

We've been hearing about the Digital Euro for years. Is it finally happening?

[-] IronBird@lemmy.world 37 points 2 days ago

Trump really is the great unifyer, goddamn

[-] faintwhenfree@lemmus.org 14 points 2 days ago

Sorry to be an ass and english is a weird language but it's spelled as unifier, unify doesn't become unifyer. Why? Because it's a piece of shit language that's why.

[-] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 11 points 2 days ago

Unifyer: Portmanteau of Groyper and Unifier. Invented at the end of 2025 CE, it came to represent the abhorrent character of Fascist leaders like Donald Trump uniting opposing political powers that would normally bicker.

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[-] faintwhenfree@lemmus.org 5 points 2 days ago

I like that. It should be a thing.

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[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago

The US-based financial sector fights it tooth-and-claw at every opportunity. I suspect this kind of legislation is an absolute cash-cow for lobbyists across the continent, in the same way the PPACA made a bunch of influential DC firms incredibly rich.

But can the ECB actually deliver on a useful and efficient method of continent-wide banking in practice? Fingers crossed, I guess. I just wouldn't hold my breath.

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[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Wow, very cool! Absolute poggers.

“It’s an end-to-European solution,” says Alessandro Giovannini, an ECB official. “All the engineering will be 100pc European, and it will be distributed by euro banks.”

Hmm, I should open a European bank account. It could help if I'm every visiting family out there, anyway.

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[-] vga@sopuli.xyz 35 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I just bought something from a German online shop. I paid with a direct bank-to-bank transfer, zero fees (as far as I know).

The only problem of course is that this method of payment doesn't have any kind of insurance against fraud, so it works only with already reputable stores. And of course it's usable only in online shops.

[-] ikidd@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

For the love of dog, do not do this with Alibaba sellers if they ask you to. I've never gotten bit but I've heard horror stories.

[-] vga@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 days ago

Not a problem as I would never buy anything from Alibaba or Temu or any such place.

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[-] davidagain@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

This is excellent. We should never have left the EU.

[-] BoycottTwitter@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 days ago

This article claims there are very initial signs that you might get your wish: https://inews.co.uk/opinion/process-trying-undo-brexit-begun-4106581

I personally can't get over the fact that a 50% majority was all that was needed for such a drastic change. The US despite all its flaws requires more than 50% for certain major things like amending the constitution. Hopefully you can one day rejoin and then make it so it would require a higher threshold like 2/3 majority before another brexit would be possible.

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[-] Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works 35 points 3 days ago

It'll be interesting to see how they'll handle steamy steam games. The whole steam and itch deplatforming saga was kicked off by Visa, Mastercard and Paypal.

[-] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 23 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Won’t have any effect as long as they need to have Visa and Mastercard for other territories. In Europe you can already pay with European payment systems on Steam like iDeal (Dutch) and Trustly (Swedish) and those porn games still got removed in the territories that have those payment options.

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[-] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

King shit. Wish our leaders gave anywhere near a shit to do this in the US.

[-] skozzii@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 days ago

I've noticed a few retailers in Canada charging more for credit cards - debit, cash and cheque are all no extra fee's. The only reason I have a credit card is for the rewards and the necessity for things like hotels and car rentals.

If society could work in our favor and not try to force easy credit on us then we would all be better off.

[-] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

If everyone wasn't trying to screw everyone else we'd be better off.

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