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Flaws in how 17 models of headphones and speakers use Google’s one-tap Fast Pair Bluetooth protocol have left devices open to eavesdroppers and stalkers.

Link to see devices impacted: https://whisperpair.eu/

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[-] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 24 points 3 weeks ago

My wired headphones dont have this issue, likely sound far better, require no batteries, and are user serviceable.

Guys, we peaked in 2012 (potentially earlier) as a race technologically, stop trying to create new grifts for billionaires.

[-] Prox@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

We all laughed at the time, but The Matrix was right - civilization peaked in 1999.

[-] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 3 weeks ago

Talking about computers, definitely yes, functionally. The socially important problems got solutions, imperfect, but replaceable ones.

We had publishing to all the world via Usenet and Web, file exchange with all the world via plenty of FTP servers, way to find those files and published pages via search engines (those real ones, which just indexed file attributes and page contents), our social identities were ICQ numbers and email addresses, our way to repost stuff was sending a link, our way to rate and discover good things was web directories made by people.

For evaluating something on the Web a vote is simply not a universal unit. Every vote is a different person. So upvotes and downvotes lead to numbers being important for ratings on something, which means that the least useful things get the biggest ratings. Because everything useful is offensive to someone.

The only downside that environment had was insufficient easiness of making a webpage, hosting a website, hosting something else.

If I were imagining a solution, it would look like an all-in-one suite like Hotline, but based on how the Web was then, including an intuitive editor (something more like QuarkXPress) for pages and with hosting and mirroring being transparent. A p2p system with cryptographic identities, but manual choice of hosting something. With a p2p contact directory, but many trees of trust inside that directory, where one tree of trust is like one email provider or one xmpp server for identities, that you subscribe to. With "domains" (sort of) being done similarly to that contact directory. With good old Kademlia for finding contacts, domains, groups and separate pages, posts or files. And other than good old Kademlia, possibly some kind of interchangeable client-server things, like storage areas and trackers and relays, to help with offline messaging and NAT's.

OK, my thought floated away, intuitive management of anything creative in that system is honestly the main flaw of how it was in year 1999. I even wonder if that "agentic AI" they are talking about has a place in such an application suite.

[-] FreeLikeGNU@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

Those protocols and services still exist among improved means that are also decentralized. One only has to seek them out.

[-] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 3 weeks ago

Not really. That's like saying that a bunch of non-standardized tracks all over some country is a railway system.

[-] aceshigh@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

I love not having to worry about charging my headphones. I had wireless for years but I went back to wired.

[-] hector@lemmy.today 1 points 3 weeks ago

You can hardly find wired headphones now. When you do they are junk. I want a sturdy headphone where they did not save every penny making the wire near microscopic, cheap joints, etc.

Paying more does not mean it is quality either.

[-] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 2 points 3 weeks ago

Recording musicians use them for monitoring. Bluetooth has too much latency when you are trying to keep your groove in the pocket.

I'm finding lots of great 10-15 yo used recording gear/tech that was originally $200+, going for cheap, like less than $50, because it doesn't have Bluetooth, which you don't want with recording gear anyway.

[-] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

The Sony XM3 and other headphones in the series are a great option since you don't have to choose, they have a headphone jack so you can go wired if you want.

Same thing with Shure Aonic 50s.

[-] lenz@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Go to where the audiophiles are. There are plenty of headphones and IEMs (earbuds) under $50 (and even $25) that sound fantastic and sound better than $200 dollar options out there. My favs that I actually tried are the MOONDROP Chu 2 $23, Koss KSC75 $20, and the Sennheiser HD 600 (which I got on eBay for like $250). Check out the audiophile subreddit, there are plenty of people who have made ranking lists.

[-] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah if youre buying headphones on Amazon or Walmart, you'll get shit.

I refuse to shop at either of those places for anything really. Wish others would be brave enough to do so as well and stop giving billionaires money for no reason.

[-] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 weeks ago

Beyer dt 770. Very tough.

My mains are those, grado rs2, and senn hd595. Some sony md7506 but I hate the sound on them.

[-] RaccoonBall@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 weeks ago

What's your budget? over ears or earbuds? if over ears open back or sealed?

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[-] sefra1@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I want to agree, I used to hate wireless headphones, until I realised that wired don't last long if I wear them anywhere outside my desk.

The cable keeps getting caught in door handles, accidentally stepped when I need to crouch and then snapped when I get up or the plug simply gives up from being constantly bent inside the pocket.

I'm a person who can use a soldering but that doesn't make repair much easier, phones don't usually like the 3.5mm jacks available in the market, opening and closing whatever plastic thing covers the contacts or the back of the drivers often break after a third time opening it.

The cables themselves start to breakdown and that time I ordered a whole replacement cable off eBay the phone lost all bass (probably high impedance).

Another issue is that modern phones output a very quiet signal that doesn't get loud enough even when plugged the HD25.

In end wireless headphones solve this problem, I still use wired headphones on my desk. But for mobile use wireless it is.

[-] Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Placing a bet now: under 10% of vulnerable units will be patched within a year's time.

[-] TheMinions@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 weeks ago
[-] ramble81@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 weeks ago

I mean 0.1% is still technically under 10%

[-] TheMinions@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 weeks ago

Ah. I should really figure out how to read. Whoops.

[-] Bluegrass_Addict@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 weeks ago

the rest of the 90% of the devices are probably broken since they are so cheaply made and designed to snap or have garbage batteries that can't hold a charge for more then 20 minutes .

[-] SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today 3 points 3 weeks ago

I'll add to that- within a year's time, less than 50% of the affected devices will even have a patch available.

[-] JensSpahnpasta@feddit.org 2 points 3 weeks ago

I am certain that my AliExpress headphones will get updates in the next few weeks!

[-] HakunaHafada@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 3 weeks ago

Laughs in the archaic technology of the 3.5mm audio jack

[-] dance_ninja@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

All the more reason to use my IEMs... At least when I'm not flying.

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[-] SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org 1 points 3 weeks ago

Pff, obviously you never heard of wiretapping...

[-] aramis87@fedia.io 6 points 3 weeks ago

security researchers [...] are revealing a collection of vulnerabilities they found in 17 audio accessories that use Google’s Fast Pair protocol and are sold by 10 different companies: Sony, Jabra, JBL, Marshall, Xiaomi, Nothing, OnePlus, Soundcore, Logitech, and Google itself.

[-] Speculater@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

So like every brand besides Apple?

[-] pycorax@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago

And Bose and Samsung and probably a couple more.

[-] fort_burp@feddit.nl 4 points 3 weeks ago

GOOGLE DESIGNED THE wireless protocol known as Fast Pair to optimize for ultra-convenient connections: It lets users connect their Bluetooth gadgets with Android and ChromeOS devices in a single tap.

Bluetooth pairing is not a difficult process, imagine creating a whole new attack vector for that. And of course security was an afterthought. Capitalism is amazing for wasting resources and getting bad results for it.

[-] zarenki@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 weeks ago

I think it's far more common for devices to get pairing wrong than to get it right.

Just a few of the very common issues I've seen in various devices:

  • TVs that are constantly in discoverable mode, even when the screen is off. Just in case the owner loses their remote and wants to pair a new one without reaching behind the TV to press a button. No way of avoiding this except disabling Bluetooth entirely, which makes the stock remote lose either partial or all functionality. Pairing requests also interrupt whatever you're watching.
  • Audio devices that have a very short delay after turning on and waiting for any already-paired devices to connect before switching over to a pairing mode instead. So short that a smartphone in a low-power state (e.g. because you haven't unlocked it for a few minutes) might not connect in time. Most if not all of the bluetooth-to-3.5mm receivers intended for older cars seem to share this problem.
  • Pairing codes are extremely underused in general, even among input devices. Most things seem to just pair with whoever sends a request first unconditionally.
[-] ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 weeks ago

On this note: if you root your webos tv there’s an app to truly disable Bluetooth, assuming you don’t use it. Imagine my surprise when one day my tv turned on with a request to allow my neighbors phone to connect to it? Modern convenience. I’m sure my neighbor just fat fingered the device list while trying to connect something else but the fact that it was even an option is absurd

[-] Taleya@aussie.zone 1 points 3 weeks ago

Given its google I would really not be surprised if it were a feature, not a bug

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[-] Mod@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

that was an interesting talk and demo

[-] Bluegrass_Addict@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 weeks ago

laughs in 3.5mm

[-] Professorozone@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

Did anyone else get a "page not found" error when trying to see the list of effected headphones?

[-] paris@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 weeks ago
[-] Professorozone@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

I clicked on your link. Same thing. I'm using duck such go. Wonder if that's why.

[-] PierceTheBubble@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 weeks ago

But you need to be in close proximity (~15m max) to stalk a victim? You might as well just follow them around physically then. Perhaps when the victim is in a private location, eavesdrop on their conversation or locating their position within there, might be a possibility. But ear raping would, of course, constitute the most significant danger of all. Also WhisperPair, not WhisPair?

[-] postnataldrip@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

If you want to listen to their mic via bluetooth or whatever, yes. But there's also this:

Some devices also support Google's Find Hub network. This enables users to find their lost accessories using crowdsourced location reports from other Android devices. However, if an accessory has never been paired with an Android device, an attacker can add the accessory using their own Google account. This allows the attacker to track the user via the compromised accessory.

[-] PierceTheBubble@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 weeks ago

If the devices weren’t previously linked to a Google account ... then a hacker could ... also link it to their Google account.

This already severely limits the pool of potential victims; but still a more practical exploit indeed. It's almost as if this BLE tracking is a feature, rather than an exploit. And if you want to be notified of a device following you around, one has to perpetually enable BLE on their smartphone. But of course, headphone jacks are a thing of the past, and wireless is clearly the future. :)

[-] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 0 points 3 weeks ago

Meh. So realistic attack would be that you know someone you want to track has one of those 17 models (which is hard to tell by just looking at the headphones) and never paired it with Android and he carries them everywhere. You force-pair and now you can track them. It's pretty silly as a random attack because why would you track a random person. It's silly to use it to record conversations because from 15 m there are easier methods to do it. I would say the risk that this will be used to actually track/record someone is low.

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