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Systemd founder and lead developer Lennart Poettering announced the creation of a new company called Amutable. The Amutable company being led by Chris Kühl (CEO), Christian Brauner (CTO) and Lennart Poettering (Chief Engineer) will be focused on delivering determinism and verifiable integrity to Linux systems.

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[-] IcedRaktajino@startrek.website 23 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The irony of Lennart "let's change everything about Linux because I know better" Poettering creating a company called Amutable is not lost on me.

But also, that tracks because now it's "I know better so now you can't change anything" which is pretty on brand.

[-] Redjard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 2 months ago

Don't wanna interrupt your rant, but "determinism and verifiable integrity" doesn't sound like it'd impede changes.

Determinism/reproducible builds allow independent verification that a source corresponds to the binaries some repo ships. You can set up most languages, build systems, and environment to be reproducible, and once done it doesn't have any additional effects, except maybe when changing build procedures you have to maintain the reproduceability.

"verifiable integrity" to me sounds like computer proof systems. Showing an algorithm/code/program corresponds exactly to some written spec, mathematically.

The project seems to be positioned explicitly against points of authority and "security" through compliance checks and certifications.

[-] pulsewidth@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

I think they're referring to the name of the company being very similar to "immutable", no?

[-] Redjard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 months ago

In this context it'd mean something like "the actions of the binary are immutably liked to the spec"

[-] devfuuu@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

It's a good fit in the infosec space in the age of sloppiness.

[-] entwine@programming.dev 18 points 2 months ago

Systemd haters always freeze up when you point out the fact that Poettering did, in fact, know better and that systemd has been incredibly successful and beneficial for the ecosystem.

[-] khleedril@cyberplace.social 1 points 2 months ago

@entwine @IcedRaktajino Haters know there are loads of other good ways to orchestrate an operating system. E.g. #shepherd

[-] Solemarc@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Do you mean GNU Shepherd? The same init system that only got to 1.0 last year? Systems has been carrying Linux for years at this point.

[-] Saapas@piefed.zip 8 points 2 months ago

His stuff has been an improvement though

[-] e8d79@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Just once would I like to see a thread about Poettering without people being fucking idiots in the comments. We know literally nothing about this verifiable integrity product and people are already shitting on it. The guy could announce that he developed a cure to cancer and people would still complain about it.

[-] sga@piefed.social 8 points 2 months ago

Did lennart leave microsoft? Probably a good thing in general for linux (it definitely was wierd that lead for systemd was working at microsoft)

[-] Eat_Your_Paisley@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

At the time he worked for Red Hat

[-] tuckerm@feddit.online 4 points 2 months ago

How does a company like this make money? Like, is it basically a consulting firm that plans to do development on core Linux features? Custom dev work that they are also able to open source? They already have quite a few employees on the about page.

[-] rainwall@piefed.social 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Seed funding, then releasing a good foss tool, then extending it with extra "pay only" features, then selling to ossified old tech like IBM to cash out.

See Redhat/hashicorp/etc.

[-] just_another_person@lemmy.world -4 points 2 months ago

🥱

Whatever, guy. This is just another approach to shit people do not want, which is a copy of the same shit people don't want from Microsoft. If it ends up being used, it's going to be by select corporations, and secure government entities.

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