I do wish Framework made a model with an optical drive.
No mention of virgin keyboard backlight vs chad overhead ThinkLight?
Lenovo won't make any nice, repariable thinkpads any time in the near future. Framework is the best we have.
There are better linux laptops for less. No need to send tour money to the US.
The price was never the reason to buy a framework in the first place. None of the cheaper alternatuves are as performant and as repairable
They'd arguably stopped some time ago. I have a Thinkpad T490s, and a fair chunk of that isn't upgradeable without swapping a fair bit of the body.
The keyboard, for example, is a permanent part of the chassis. Replacing out requires you to swap the entire shell out.
The Ethernet port is some proprietary gubbins, because Lenovo wanted to be funny, and use the same protocols and pinouts as regular Ethernet, but used a special physical connector.
Half the RAM is also permanently soldered into the motherboard as well, so you can't properly upgrade that either.
I got a (very cheap) Thinkpad from my university. It had that proprietary Ethernet port. It came with a ThinkPad-branded USB to Ethernet adapter. The adapter came with the laptop and still didn't use the proprietary port!
Now, there is a chance that the university IT which set stuff up before giving it to me, is responsible for disappearing the proprietary adapter. But because the USB adapter is branded with ThinkPad, I really think it's just what it came with.
Laptops for consumers have never been good, the reason thinkpads are reliable are because they are sold to businesses (with extensive service warranties)
But I have both...
The T14's trackpoint created a pressure spot on my screen simply from being closed. I traveled with it only a handful of times, and when I did, I had it in a light bag with hardly anything else in it. Yes, I need a laptop carry case, but regardless, this really should not be an issue.
I've since put a felt pad between my screen and keyboard for when I close it, but that should not be something I have to do with a $1200 laptop.
Otherwise, it's been great.
I got an upgraded L440, judging from your context, you got a ThinPad, which are not as good as the older ThiccPads, of which the L440 is a part of.
I would've liked to have gotten one of the bulkier ones, and if I had foreseen this being an issue, I would've waited.
Also Framework are American.
If your ThinkPad is old enough, so is it.
The TPM 2.0 requirement for Windows 11 is artificial however and can be bypassed in the installer.
Stop ruining ThinkPads for me!!!
Microslop has been patching that out over time though
as a person who uses a framework 16, and deals with returned lease laptops as a job, people are overstating how "durable" thinkpads are.
of course image of course is a joke, but thinkpads advatage isnt necessarily durability, but how cheap replacement parts are because of how many are leased and eventually returned.
frameworks friction is cost and availability, but strength is ease of repair. lenovos is part availability and cost.
I've had a few ThinkPads T14s (AMD gen 1 and also gen 2 - one personal, one for work), and a Framework 16 (personal).
I am much happier now with an HP laptop (zbook ultra g1a) than I ever was with either. Framework build quality and reliability are horrible, and ThinkPads have the absolute worst imaginable displays
As a Framework owner, this meme is absolutely correct.
How do you really like it?
I'm considering getting one.
Not the one you were replying to, but I'm answering you from a Framework 13. It's the best laptop I've owned. It's solid, runs well, is theoretically repairable without having to buy used equipment off ebay, and runs Linux quite well. I've put a few distros on it, and they've all just worked, even the finger print reader.
It's certainly not the best price for performance, but I like the build quality, and it let me bring my own RAM and NVME, which really helped close the price gap.
and it let me bring my own RAM and NVME, which really helped close the price gap.
not any more 😭
More so now, I still have lots of old RAM laying around. No need to pay markup prices for me.
Thanks! It's interesting to hear folks say that other machines are as powerful and less expensive. The irony is, they're less expensive because they have everything soldered on and designed to be eventual e-waste more quickly.
I have a Framework 16, and love it. However, it's probably the priciest bit of tech I've ever purchased (partially my fault for trying to make it as "future proof" as possible while building it).
Great hardware for Linux too, it's wonderful to never have to worry if your hardware will work or not. Bazzite even has an OS image specifically for Framework hardware.
I was running a little low on space last year so I bought a 1tb expansion drive. Took about 30 seconds to install. Didn't even have to turn the laptop off to do it.
my comment on Linux laptops mentioned in the meme:
for Thinkpads are nice but you have to buy a older/used thinkpad for the reasons why people like it and i want to use AARCH64/ARM64(i still think RISC-V is in its infancy personally) due to its power efficiency
for Framework they dont sell it in my Country
lots of yapping about my idea for laptop(or cyber-deck) if your interested click here am not sure if this the right place to put this info
tbh i would rather make a DIY secondary "Laptop" for Linux
and this is my idea
Tbh the T470/80 seems to be one of the last real Thiccpad series.
I had one in my backpack and slipped on ice, fell straight on my back. Laptop didnt have any issues
Do they have a version with the Ctrl key in the lower left corner where it belongs?
on mine you can switch it in the firmware
Last time I checked for the price of a Framework I would be able to buy 2 comparable Slimbooks. I don't know what sense does it make to buy an upgradable laptop if replacing one after couple of years will cost the same. Is it just about reducing e-waste? I still have to do something with old framework parts and I think reusing an old laptop would be easier.
But why would you be replacing them when you can upgrade?
If the lifetime of the device is twice as long, you already made a profit.
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