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[-] pachrist@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago

Easy.

There is a huge portion of the country, about 1/3, that knows they aren't living the American dream, but they work hard and don't understand why.

Then, someone tells them something slightly true. That there's not enough pie to go around (semi-true), and that the reason there's not enough pie is all the immigrants and freeloaders who aren't working and are taking handouts (false).

What they aren't told is there could be enough pie to go around, if the top 1% was willing to share. They aren't. And they now control ~35% of wealth in the USA.

And then the top 1% uses that extra capital to tell that 1/3 of people that their Hispanic neighbor is the problem.

[-] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

a big chunk of that bloc is first gen immigrants themselves.

all my 2nd gen immigrant friends have parents who hate new immigrants and support ICE type policies and are big Trump fans.

[-] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Before you judge too harshly, remember that they can't physically vote and probably don't know as much about politics. It is very easy to fall into right-wing pipeline under these conditons.

More importantly, them not being able to vote means they don't effect you as much as some people want you to believe.

A lot of democrats blamed immigrants for the 2024 election results and there was a tiktok trend of reporting the unrelated immigrant neighbors to ICE.

[-] rumba@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 weeks ago

First gen immigrants are affected by new immigrants, they're in direct competition with the new guys and many are quite happy to pull up the ladder.

If that was all that was going on, it would be pretty understandable for that subset.

What I don't get are the white ones with first gen immigrant partners.

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[-] Quadhammer@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

If magas could read a post this long they might get it

[-] smeenz@lemmy.nz 2 points 2 weeks ago

Not a chance.

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Decades of talkings heads offering an explanation for rural decline, that’s how. Look back to Rush Limbaugh and his predecessors.

The irony is rampant immigration (and our tolerance to it) was an economic miracle for the US, an envy of the world. We’d be facing a population cliff like S Korea, Japan, China or Russia without it. But now that’s coming for us too :(

[-] derfunkatron@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Definitely a misdirect from the corporate takeover of everything.

I grew up in a shitty small rural town, but while I was in high school I watched the shitty “mom and pop” stores slowly disappear and the local factory vote against unionization only to be closed a few years after I moved away. You know what immediately moved in to fill the void? Wal-Mart and Dollar General.

My dad was so focused on immigrants taking his job and other insane republican economic talking points that he lost that job when the company decided it wasn’t cost effective to operate in the US anymore.

[-] TexasDrunk@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

You must have lived down the street from me. We had a few mom and pop joints, two local restaurants, and "the plant". They didn't get Walmart but now they've got the world's worst Dairy Queen, the world's second worst Sonic, and two different brands of dollar store.

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

TBH some of the points were right. Democrats took big bucks from corporations too, especially Big Tech and basically anything focused in metros.

And it was also a distraction.

Rural folks should have voted differently, yeah, but it was an easy trap to fall into. I blame propagandists and cowards taking money, not them.

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[-] jollyrogue@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 weeks ago

How has immigration affected the average voter?

Tasty ethnic food. There are tasty tacos around, some good Pho, there was an Ethiopian place around here, and tabouli with BBQ.

The remaining Caribbean place around here is really disappointing and the pulled pork is dry, so there is that.

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[-] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 weeks ago

Rich people said poor people have no health care because poorer people get sick sometimes.

[-] Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 weeks ago

Their eyes are offended by the very sight of someone different from them.

[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 weeks ago

Well you see, they are coming here to steal all our jobs but they are also jobless losers stealing all our welfare

[-] cv_octavio@piefed.ca 3 points 2 weeks ago

Alas. Will no one spare one word of prayer for the cats and the dogs of the people that live there that the immigrants are also eating 

[-] bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 weeks ago

These are the same people who were simultaneously protesting "Stop the count" and "count the votes" on election day in 2020.

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[-] kandoh@reddthat.com 6 points 2 weeks ago

My personal explanation:

These are people who weren't here when those voters were children and a large part of the population are voting to stop time, not policies or anything.

[-] MrMetaKopos@slrpnk.net 5 points 2 weeks ago
  1. They are willing to work for less than a normal American living wage. This reduces the amount that an American can work for for the same job. Globalists love this.
  2. They bring and establish a different culture eroding a way of life that is considered American.

Those are two things I think someone might say about immigrants. Additionally, there's general disdain for the poor and many immigrants come here to escape worse poverty.

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

In some instances, particularly in the American South and in some European cities, a large influx of immigrants has proven disruptive to local culture as well.

But as the son of a roofer, I can confirm, #1 has historically been an issue. My dad's business, when he was still able to roof houses, was often undercut by illegal crews giving lower bids.

Of course the answer is a legit path to citizenship and resources to help people assimilate more easily and without fear, not Gestapo shit, but immigration, like abortion, is an issue that is purposely never resolved, and it never will be. This is a golden goose issue for Republicans, just like abortion is a golden goose issue for Democrats. They simply make too much money in donations and are able to grift all the public money they want in order to pretend it's being solved, and therefore, have no real motivation to fix it.

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[-] Washedupcynic@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

My favorite is when MAGAts claim immigrants are taking our jobs, while also claiming immigrants are sucking off the government teat getting free rent, healthcare ect because they are too lazy to work. Schrödinger's immigrant.

[-] Vupware@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 weeks ago

Never forget that many of the the biggest MAGA bootlickers have their income subsidized by the government…

[-] Hideakikarate@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 weeks ago

Red states boast cheaper... everything, because they get money from all the blue states. Buncha welfare queens.

[-] sturmblast@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

All my favorite food and culture comes from regions I am not native.

[-] aesthelete@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

Have you ever considered being a giant racist dick though?

[-] TheBunGod@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

They have to look at brown people

[-] Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 weeks ago

It puts downward pressure on wages. That pressure is way overblown by Republicans and there are plenty of solutions to address it that don't involve sending icestapo in to break up families though.

Pretending that this pressure doesn't exist just makes people like us who want to stop this seem out of touch to the normal person who has concerns about immigration, which the election showed is a very large chunk of Americans and westerners in general.

These concerns should be addressed by showing the relative magnitude of the problem compared to benefits gained from immigration along with solutions for stagnating wages, not outright dismissal.

[-] rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 2 weeks ago

It puts downward pressure on wages

This is not the fault of immigrants. It's the fault of billionaires exploiting one of the most vulnerable people in the country for profit. It only exists because of capitalist greed.

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[-] ssfckdt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Well, large tech corporations often cut costs by falsely listing impossible to meet job descriptions and then use that to ask the government for an excuse to hire a foreign worker, who they will hire despite not meeting the job descriptions either, but is willing to work for a fraction of what the domestic worker can afford to live on.

So there is that

But that's not the fault of those immigrants, who are just looking for a better opportunity; that's on the corporations abusing a system that is supposed to improve the domestic economy by bringing in top talent to American industry, not by displacing domestic employees and depressing wages.

And uh, also, the conservative wing and the administration isn't really upset about that at all, either.

[-] Pacattack57@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

Corporations illegally hire undocumented immigrants, therefore reducing the cost of labor and stealing jobs from americans

[-] PugJesus@piefed.social 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

"Fuck you, I've got mine"

That's German and Irish immigrants to the US and their descendants being portrayed as doing the same to Chinese immigrants in 1870

As drawn by a German-American immigrant cartoonist, no less.

[-] takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

You can't think of a single thing an immigrant has made worse?

Then you must not heard of Elon Musk.

[-] zd9@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

Because any kind of minority is inferior to white straight people and they're the reason for every ill in the world today.

It's truly just racism. It's worked for 4000 years, since the establishment of civilizations.

"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you." - LBJ

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 3 points 2 weeks ago

They clearly think cruelty is a zero sum game. If cruelty is applied to another, the cruelty to them is reduced.

They are wrong. The machine knows no bounds. Your boot on another's face does not remove the boot from your own.

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[-] muffedtrims@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago
[-] YtA4QCam2A9j7EfTgHrH@infosec.pub 2 points 2 weeks ago
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They are taking mah jobs at the moment.

Seriously, though, send help. I'm fighting them off with this broom handle for now, but there are just too many of them!

[-] Mrkawfee@feddit.uk 2 points 2 weeks ago

Has she tuned into Nick Fuentes. The answer is: racism.

[-] theblurstoftimes@leminal.space 2 points 2 weeks ago

People hardly ever bring up how any company that knowingly hires illegal immigrants should be fined out of business. But of course it’s the workers that must face the consequences.

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Is it ok to be against immigration that lets people be exploited, such as h1-b without sufficient enforcement, or undocumented aliens where the person is at risk but the employer is not. We can fix it by better support of employee rights regardless of immigration status

[-] lovely_reader@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

I think that means you're against exploitation, not immigration...

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[-] BigMacHole@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 weeks ago

Illegals are KILLING People!

-Supporters of ICE!

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[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Surpressed wages. Immigration is just a consequence of the bourgeoisie war against the proletariat. It works double for them because they can blame the immigrants that they bring in for people's problems and can use them to make those problems worse.

You aren't going to find pro immigrant leftists. You will find humanitarian leftists that think the people the right bring here should be treated like people.

even by that logic, it is not the immigrant who is suppressing wages, but the capitalist. and he is so giddy about cunts blaming the immigrant with suppressed wages.

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