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submitted 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) by Chemo@feddit.org to c/startrek@startrek.website

I just don't get it. What is the freaking problem of those directors, trying to rewrite federation into some kind of dystopian tech fascism?

I was annoyed by the first Star Trek movie by JJ Abrams, with those police cops. I was alienated by those anti-android resentments in Picard. I stopped watching Discovery after the first episode, because the main protagonist was sent to some kind of labor prison for disobedience, where prisoners regularly die. I didn't think it could get any worse but just watching the first 10 minutes of Starfleet Academy makes me want to bury the whole franchise [edit: and stopped watching]. Some drumhead court-martial, lifelong prison sentence, violently separating a mother from her child and some goons beating up a prisoner. How in the hell is this the same federation of TNG, Voyager and DS9?

Star Trek is supposed to be the ONE fiction with a positive, utopian view on mankind and the future. I totally get the attraction of dystopian settings but for that I can read some Warhammer 40k novels. This really makes me furious.

Fortunately there is still Strange New Worlds.

Please spoiler me, when this bullshit in Starfleet Academy gets turned around in some twist, because otherwise I will just ignore the show.

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[-] strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz 1 points 2 months ago

@Chemo
> Why do they turn Federation into a dystopia?

I had the same niggle, but I'm hoping it's a way of setting up a redemption arc.

Like when they replaced Captain Georgiou with Emperor Georgiou. She had to learn the value of the Federation's way of doing things. But they also learned a thing or 2 from her.

[-] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 1 points 2 months ago

I don't follow Trek as much as I used to.

I'd guess that the problem is that it's hard to come up with stories in a happy world where everyone gets to choose their own path.

[-] Chemo@feddit.org 2 points 2 months ago

Fair point. That's why Star Trek shows usually don't play at the federation but on far away planets.

[-] Kirk@startrek.website 2 points 2 months ago

Fortunately it's a big galaxy

[-] kbal@fedia.io 0 points 2 months ago

How in the hell is this the same federation of TNG, Voyager and DS9?

Clearly it isn't. Why should it be? It's the far future. Giant prison colony, shock collars, cruelty, punishment with no semblance of a fair trial on screen; clearly the Federation are the bad guys now, or at least adjacent to them. I was prepared to accept that premise. Could be interesting... but no, they immediately shove that concept under the carpet and pretend it doesn't matter because this one person involved feels really bad about it. It was all just another convenient plot device with no meaning, and they moved right on without stopping to think about it. It's utterly lazy writing, the kind where they go with whatever half-baked idea they come up with first whether or not it makes any sense for the characters and story. I say that with confidence because I've seen so much of it before. In this case the character they betrayed was literally Star Trek itself, but they're doing it all the time in smaller ways.

Anyway I'm off to rewatch DS9 instead.

[-] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago

Thanks for the warning. Any show that continues Discovery’s bullshit isn’t going to be worth a watch in my opinion.

[-] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 2 months ago

Picard tries to copy STD anf fix some of the bs, but it falls flat hard, snw tries to do that but the actors are so wooden and writing is not good at all.

[-] BoxOfFeet@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

If you pretend Star Trek stopped after First Contact, it's a lot better. I really don't understand why they keep trying to make new trek, or who is watching it. Who is it for? It's too fast, too action-y. Too many camera angles. The writing and acting feels like teen drama. Where is the professionalism, the decorum, the reserved nature of Starfleet? And what little humor there should be, should be dry.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

Not a big trekie, but I never trusted the "Earth is a giant utopia and everything is perfect" story

Like, I'm sure there's a class of people most of Starfleet is made up of like Picard, but not everyone on earth owns a fucking vineyard.

I always thought The Expanse was probably how it really was. No one "has to work" because there's not enough work. So the majority of the population gets a little UBI and blows it on drugs and alcohol to numb the emptiness

Like, do they even show "current earth" that much in Star Trek? Or is it just wealthy Starfleet members talking about how awesome their lives were?

I dunno, it's just an unbelievable story. If it's really supposed to be a perfect utopia, it's just unbelievable writing.

[-] kboos1@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

A utopia will never exist because a utopia implies that everyone and everything is perfect, but this will never happen because human instinct and diversity won't allow it and everyone's definition of perfection is different. In Star Trek this utopia was started after WW3 followed by massive genocide followed by people just trying to survive. So there was a hard reset for humanity.

For Picard's vineyard, it's a family legacy and heirloom, so he gets a pass. But if you want your own vineyard and there's enough land then you get one.

Here's where Star Trek kind of falls apart, someone has to mine the raw resources that can't be replicated or do menial tasks that no one would want to do even 200 years from now. How does that work? If the work you do still equates to social ranking and resource allocation then does the steel worker also get prime real estate next to the president of the federation?

I love Star Trek but it's just a dream that will never exist, the idea of Star Trek could never exist just based on the simple fact of the fans can't even agree on what it is. To me it's Sci-fi adventures in a world where people can be open about who they are but also none threatened or threatening about it, where everyone works together to accomplish a goal, where doing what you love is payment enough.

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[-] Chemo@feddit.org 1 points 2 months ago

I get you. Utopia does't seem very probable. But it was nice to have at least one single franchise that commits to it.

but not everyone on earth owns a fucking vineyard

That's the very reason I don't like the Picard show as well. No one is supposed to own a vineyardfor themselves in Star Trek Earth. DS9 did a good depiction of life on earth with Benjamin Siskos dad who just loves cooking and provides a restaurant for everyone.

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