Discords about to lose a lot of users
I doubt it. this doesn't really affect the majority of people, it just makes all accounts "teens" by default which blocks suspected nudity and age restricted channels
Yeah just like Reddit and Twitter and Threads etc. etc.?
I already built my Matrix server. I'm ready for Discord's enshitification
Is that an open source alternative?
Yes, and federated.
It's not ideal but under the circumstances we have to fall back to what we can. It's not up to our standards we have to build something that is now, corporations won't do it for us if that poison pills. The the day is when that was workable or firmly over now
Does Matrix support screen sharing yet? IDK why I'm having such an issue getting a solid answer other places.
Is there a way to get it to look like discord?
If not, I've been looking into Root and Stoat instead. Those both look nearly identical. Stoat can even use discord bots.
You mean Matrix to look like Discord? It depends on the client that you use I guess. I use FulffyChat and it's identical to Discord and Stoat (having tried it myself).
Went ahead and canceled my nitro.
Also cancelled mine. I don't suspect this change will actually directly affect me personally, but it's the final straw on a big pile of straw. I know plenty of people here will admonish those of us that were paying for it in the first place, but better late than never I say.
Not entirely sure what I'm going to transition my group to. It's quite likely we won't actually have one replacement, but many. We used text, voice, video, and screensharing on Discord (plus many other, though less important features). I don't know of an alternative that does all of it.
Frankly it should be illegal.
Not just "never required." Explicitly disallowed.
What I don't understand is, have these people never heard of OAuth? I don't know what it is, we have decades of this and people act like it doesn't exist and don't see the value in it. Even Lemmy, try to suggest why it might be valuable to separate identity versus community hosting, it's like you have to walk people through it step by step.
There's no way I'm giving platforms like this even more private information, but if governments put forth both publicly available OAuth servers along with the possibility of privately purchasable OAuth servers for this sort of thing, I would have no problem with it because then you have the possibility of vetting age authenticators like you would VPN providers, and the data would never leak into the social networks that abuse it. It's like the regulators and the Internet has conveniently forgotten about OAuth and certificate authorities and has just said, "Yeah, let's just have users leak their data all over for this" as if there were no better way. Maybe that's the point, because I suspect organizations like Palantir will be quite happy at things like this.
They have and they don’t want it because it doesn’t give them access to everyone’s biometric data.
I could see this coming a long way off with Discord. It’s a honey trap. They swallow entire communities whole like some gargantuan leviathan of antiquity.
If governments
America has left the chat.
It's for everyone who wants to access adult content or get messages from people they might not know, according to their release.
Discord's filters are kind of infamously bad about what they detect as "adult content." I, for one, will not be supplying an ID to anyone. They've already given me several compelling reasons not to to give them money, but it seems that this one finally pushed me over the edge.
And the "stone the gays" people are the ones who get to decide what is and isn't adult content
Who doesnt love getting spearphisted by all these random girls on discord that send friend requests without ever talking to you?!
Don't worry, this will still happen, they'll just use stolen IDs from previous fishing victims, or from the database of 70,000 that Discord already had breached.
Which includes many of the wargaming, traditional art, and queer Discord servers my partner and I use. Never assume that when a bad actor says “adult content” they mean hardcore porn and snuff, they mean everything that doesn’t conform to their ideal christofascist ethnostate purity. And now they have a list of all the “dangerous” nonconformists while blocking everyone else from being exposed to “dangerous” ideas. This should chill people to the bone. Nobody should be okay with this anywhere, in any capacity, in any quantity, whatsoever.
Even if it is hardcore porn, that still doesn't mean I'm going to give them an ID/pictures to verify who I am just so I can see the art people draw of ███████████████.
So, if I am not looking for adult content, and could not care less about getting PMs from people I don't know, I don't need to sub to this privacy nightmare?
Discord is still a privacy nightmare regardless, but at least they won't require your ID by default.
I think this is the a major step in discords plan to be a service to games (ie business-to-business).
They are positioning themselves to be an age-verifying platform for games, alongside in-game chat, in-game VoIP, in-game store and game community.
At some point, games are going to have to require age verification. It's just the way the "protect the children" bullshit is going (instead of "enable the parents to raise their kids", which is far to socialist and progressive)
Or game shops will. But if you don't sell your game, that bypasses game shops. And if cracks can bypass purchasing, then... It's on the game to comply with laws.
If there is in-game chat: needs age verification.
If there is in-game voip: needs age verification.
At some point, discord is going to roll out this massive suite of dev tooling that "just works" for devs creating multiplayer games with voip, chat, in-game purchases, gifting in-game purchases to friends, friends lists, out-of-game chat, game communities etc. while also offering age verification.
It already does a lot of that.
They are getting ahead of the age verification laws so they offer a very simple path for developers to "just pay discord" to skip a HUGE legal minefield, and get a bunch of functionality for whatever cut discord decides .
Classic regulatory capture example.
Discord was always an overhyped crap.
Read: Discord is de-anonymizing all users.
Leeeave.
Trying to get my friend group to switch over to Stoat (formerly Revolt) as soon as possible – I think Matrix is a harder sell for people not already in the federated spaces, or non-tech savvy people, but I'm hoping it fits the need.
I am on matrix partially and am going to go on stoat.
Something is busted because I wanted tonregister, it said it would verify my email, the verification expired before I even got the email, hours later.
From what I can gather, I think the Stoat team is likely experiencing insanely heavy and unexpected traffic to their platform, and their server is still trying to catch up - I am also running into the same problem, but I assume the team is working hard behind the scenes to get everyone in and stabilize the platform as soon as they can!
Yeah, that was what I kind of figured was going on.
Stoat seems to be very early in development still. Matrix has gotten easier for non-technical users recently.
I know Element sucks compared to Discord but with more users and potential funding interest from that user base growth, it can get a lot better and snowball to fast improvements. Blender was the butt of jokes until version 2.8. Like 15 years of being easily dismissed as major commercial production worthy. Element can get better. It's the story of pretty much all the well regarded general consumer targeted open source software we use today
I know Element sucks compared to Discord
Only if you don't care at all about privacy, agency, or continued access to your communities regardless of corporate whims.
Element can get better.
Yes, as can other Matrix clients, and the network itself. And they are. :)
Considering my friend whom I never thought would migrate contacted me first about this I think Discord is pretty fucked.
For those that can't (or at least for now won't) self-host, any suggestions on medium-sized #Matrix servers?
Or at least some database on those so users can check more easily, similar to the database sites for the ActivityPub?
You can create a free account on matrix.org with some limitations. I don't know any list of servers unfortunately.
IPO is clearly closing in fast. Enshittification intensifies. The VC's need to get their ROI out so they can move to the next grift. Apparently they're also going to have "age inference model that runs in the background" (read: AI) that pops in and hits your with that age verification if it determines you're actually not acting like a teen.
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