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Kick tankies out of 196 (lemmy.blahaj.zone)

Remember kids, Tankies wants to undermine democracy - same as facists.

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[-] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago

Just like fascists, tankies could theoretically hang out here without getting the boot. It's just that genocide denying authoritarians cannot be tolerated in a tolerant, democratic society. The reason tankies and fascists get the boot is because they can't resist trying to bully and intimidate those that find their views abhorrent. They simply can't resist being terrible.

They're cultists with views that can't stand up to scrutiny, so they need use other tactics to spread their shit and gain power. They use the real downsides and weaknesses of democracy to argue we need an even worse system. Then they argue you actually hold the worst views of their enemies, even though they usually support exactly the same things that make those enemies bad. Tankies claim you're a free-market liberal for opposing them, when the countries they support are state capitalists. Fascists claim you're against freedom of speech, while they are always trying to ban ideas they hate. Some of them are misguided and believe their own lies, but others are just awful people.

[-] takeda@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

Tankies traditionally are associated with communists, but today's tankies (even those that call themselves communists) are really after authoritarianism than communism, and given the history of the name (that they supported using tracks on civilians). I don't think they're is much difference between current communists and current fascists, both groups seem to support authoritarianism and feels like term "tankies" fits both of them well.

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[-] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.cafe 1 points 2 years ago

🤔 There should be a fediverse-wide rule against genocidal rhetoric. Who cares what side it's from?

[-] ArmokGoB@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 years ago
[-] bob_lemon@feddit.de 7 points 2 years ago

I think we should consider the feelings of Hexbear users when posting or commenting.

If you think they'll dislike it, it's probably a good post.

[-] PM_ME_FAT_ENBIES@lib.lgbt 1 points 2 years ago

Hexbear REALLY dislikes my compilation of their queerphobia at !dronerights@lemm.ee

[-] oatscoop@midwest.social 2 points 2 years ago

I mentioned the time hexbear's admin called the (trans) admin of blahaj.zone (the trans instance) "transphobic" in another thread once. Some hexbear dipshit then "named and shamed" me as a transphobe.

They're loud, obnoxious idiots -- nothing more.

[-] PM_ME_FAT_ENBIES@lib.lgbt 1 points 2 years ago

Hexbear is full of transphobic trans people and Blahaj's admin is also a transphobic trans person.

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[-] Vespair@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago

I think most of you need to worry way less about sounding sufficiently the "right kind" of leftist and focus more on promoting leftism through action. More than half the "tankie" discourse is, at best, a needless distraction from actual progress. Lose your buzzwords and stop the ideological purity pissing contest and actually put in the work in your communities instead, goddamn.

[-] nicetomeetyouIMVEGAN@lemmings.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

No fuck that bullshit. The largest leftist majority is aligned with non-revolutionary socialist democracy... Tankies are actively undermining the largest leftist group by refusing to partake in democracy. And now WE need to stop complaining and work together and not be so pure. Fuck off with this absolute disgrace of a discourse. The group that controls the purity of its members by refusal to partake in progress through democratic means are tankies. They want it all to go down in flames. Their idea of progress is revolutionary uprising.

[-] PM_ME_FAT_ENBIES@lib.lgbt 1 points 2 years ago

I for one 100% believe in purity tests. For example, anyone who hates trans people isn't a real leftist, doesn't belong in the community, and needs to fuck off. Purging the community of reactionaries is the only way to protect our most vulnerable members and create a unity of people who truly believe in equality and justice. There are lots of marginalised peoples who feel disrespected by mainstream left movements and cannot afford to participate in direct action for their own safety. Liberty for one means liberty for all. We need to kick tankies out of the left so we can actually get some shit done

[-] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago

Very well put. Please keep yelling this from every rooftop.

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[-] Stoneykins@mander.xyz 3 points 2 years ago

These threads are odd to me, considering how many people call all communists tankies. The word seems to be used by anarchists, conservatives, communists, anti-communists, and more, and every person has a slightly different definition.

Half the people here could consider the other half to be the tankies everyone is mad at.

To be clear this isn't me saying "be nice to the tankies" this is me saying "the overuse of this word is confusing the shit out of me."

[-] masquenox@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

It became confusing when liberals learnt of the word - now they hurl the word at anyone who dares to remind them that being pro-capitalist is still a right-wing thing to be.

[-] Zehzin@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Capital co-opting and perversing anticapitalist rhetoric to its own benefit, in my Lemmy? It's more likely than you think.

[-] vonbaronhans@midwest.social 2 points 2 years ago

Maybe it's just the circles I run in, but I understand "tankie" to mean leftists who think Soviet/Maoist/vanguard-party styles of Communist revolution/rule were good, actually, to the point of denying any bad things they did/do as "Western propaganda".

Given the red scare in the US, our ability as a whole to use any sort of leftist political labels accurately across the population is basically non-existent, so I do understand the frustration by both tankies and non-tankie leftists about how the term gets used lately, especially in produce circles on social media.

But again maybe that's just me. I don't know if I would consider myself a communist, but I do consider myself as a yet undetermined variety of socialist, if that helps at all.

[-] BigBlackCockroach@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I'm an anarchist, we don't call anybody tankies. Tankies is a term coming from the UK i think the 80s some eastern european nation was taken over by the USSR and some Brittish came out in support of it. So they were called tankies.

These political fighting words need to be layed to rest. Communists hate me as much as anybody else but I'd rather engage on the idea level instead of ad hominem attacks and name calling.

I suspect this whole tankie thing might be a coordinated propaganda campaign geared at discrediting communists and at the same time creating tension between them and other leftits. I suspect this as this whole infighting over small differences doesn't lead to a victory for the left but effectively disables and neutralizes it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsqE9kEsDVY

[-] masquenox@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

I’m an anarchist, we don’t call anybody tankies.

Speak for yourself... anarchists are very prone to using that term to describe the technocratic left. I know, I'm one of them.

[-] wewbull@iusearchlinux.fyi 1 points 2 years ago

...because none of those groups are Tankies and they are all unified against Tankies.

Tankies aren't socialists or communists (not that those two things are the same either). They are the purist ideologues of communism, where compromise is defeat. Rampant in telling you why you're wrong, and why only the purest form of communism will bring nirvana. All without understanding the consequences of what they propose.

Even the Communists don't want them on their side.

[-] Stoneykins@mander.xyz 2 points 2 years ago

I think you kinda missed my point. Sure, socialists and communists don't like tankies, but conservatives think the socialists and communists who don't like tankies are tankies. They aren't "unified against tankies", they don't agree who, what, and where "tankies" are.

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[-] queue@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 years ago

Hey everyone, just a reminder:

  • Yes Nazis are also bad, we don't have Nazis pop up anywhere near as often as Tankies
  • We remove and ban Nazis too
  • We're aware of Lemmy's main code writers being ML's, and it's not great.
  • Please report any bigot bullshit, or fascist/tankie dogwhistles.
[-] CatradoraSomething@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

We’re aware of Lemmy’s main code writers being ML’s, and it’s not great.

I don't know why thats so bad? Why are MLs any different from other commies? Why are they being compared to fascists? whats going on?

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[-] Cockmaster6000@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago

The guy needs a speech bubble that says "Stalin did nothing wr-"

[-] fritz@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago

Bro what, if we can stop leftist infighting for one fucking minute that would be great. We all have 90% of the same goals so how about we work on that and not build artificial walls to those to the left of us. Also being pro western „democracy“ is cringe.

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[-] prototype_g2@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Define tankie. I've seen that work be used in so many different contexts that it seems to have lost all meaning. This are word has been used to describe so many different things by people that don't know what it means that now it has lost all meaning.

Similar case for the word "Authoritarian"Same story goes for the word "authoritarian". I've seen that word being defined as "When government uses it's authority to stop you from doing something", but by that logic any society with laws and law enforcement is authoritarian. This are word has been used to describe so many different things by people that don't know what it means that now it has lost all meaning.

[-] floppade@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

Eh this argues that we even have a democracy that is functional enough to undermine in the first place, and I reject that premise.

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[-] mycorrhiza@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

what democracy?

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/perspectives-on-politics/article/testing-theories-of-american-politics-elites-interest-groups-and-average-citizens/62327F513959D0A304D4893B382B992B

Multivariate analysis indicates that economic elites and organized groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on U.S. government policy, while average citizens and mass-based interest groups have little or no independent influence.

[...]

In the United States, our findings indicate, the majority does not rule — at least not in the causal sense of actually determining policy outcomes. When a majority of citizens disagrees with economic elites and/or with organized interests, they generally lose. Moreover, because of the strong status quo bias built into the U.S. political system, even when fairly large majorities of Americans favor policy change, they generally do not get it.

something like 70% of Americans want universal healthcare and yet it remains politically impossible.

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[-] r9seng@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I'm not sure anyone knows what a tankie is.

Apparently saying any country other than the US should take a turn at world leadership is a tankie opinion.

[-] Robaque@feddit.it 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

In practice, (representative) democracy is a sham, anyways

The actually imporant thing they undermine, as does capitalism, is autonomy.

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