Whether or not I use Claude is not going to change society

This gives me shopping cart theory vibes. I don't usually base my moral compass based on whether my action will have some kind of measurable impact, but whether I believe it's the right thing to do. After the intense doubling down in that discussion thread I'm definitely steering clear of lutris. It costs me very little effort to avoid projects that do icky things I don't want to encourage (even though it may not have a measurable impact~)

"This works perfectly, which is why I'm removing all ways to audit what it has contributed."

They are free to do what they want to on their repo.

We are free to fork if need arises.

Personally I don't like projects not showing what AI has made. And most of Claude was made on stolen code. Its against the open source license they themselves use https://github.com/lutris/lutris/blob/master/LICENSE

But almost no one actually enforces the license until the big companies show up. I hope they change their minds, but until then, im going to stop using/contributing for a while.

I'm now assuming it all is and deleting Lutris.

What a moron.

I'm kind of torn on this, because on the one side I can see the developer's troubles. If they have 30 years of experience and they considered the impact of using it they will most likely know how to use it properly and ethically. Indeed many of the issues people have with AI are a kind of redirected anger, when really they are issues with capitalism, incompetency, or digital illiteracy. And the person posting the issue seems purely there to fan that flame rather than actually contribute. Something maintainers could use just as little as slop authored PRs.

But on the other hand, being open about the usage is a must. It's the price to pay for going against the grain. If your ideals and means are pure, they should be defendable and scrutinizable to reasonable people, and there should be no issue with that in the long term. Hiding the usage will create doubt about authorship, and make defenses harder to point at, while it won't stop the horde.

Been chewing this since yesterday. Okay, here is my two cents:

• yes, what LLM companies are doing is a problem. So dropping anything that has anything to do with their products is a sane way to make a statement
• yes, LLMs can be used effectively in development. Whether Lutris author has been using them well - I don't know. Guess won't bother to check either, have other things to do
• yes, doing the stunt with "good luck guessing what is what" is bullshit

Net total, given I've already dropped GNOME because of their culture: guess now I am dropping Lutris. Not because of AI per se, but because of "fuck you" move

Lovely.
I haven't been able to get the Elder Scrolls Online (ESO) to run under Steam lately. I was able to get it running under Lutris, and it was fine until the 5.20 update. Haven't been able to play at all. It was good while it lasted, I guess. Time to look for a new solution. If anybody has any recs, I'd love to hear them. I'm running Linux Mint 22.3.

EDIT
Thanks for the recommendations and advice, all! I'm going to give Heroic a shot and see how it goes.

Whatis the best alternative to lutris?

Oh great the campaign of harassment is continuing. Keep going guys, hopefully you can get another dev to quit a project, and I know none of the people commenting here have what it takes to fork and maintain it.

You wouldn't be doing anything different if you were getting paid by corporate interests to hurt the open source movement. Great job you can be proud of yourselves.

Lutris has been shit for months now - I guess I just figured out why.

Here’s my issue with this specifically. It makes Lutris very vulnerable to being considered entirely public domain:

https://github.com/lutris/lutris/issues/6538

Tell me to not use your software without telling me to not use your software.

This explains why it would break constantly.... But that's also why people moved to other solutions.

Is this the same Lutris maintainer who took it out of the mint repos because he didn't like some minor thing they did?

So it's all compromised, gotcha.

I hope someone did a Mutris fork.

Lemmings being outraged is hilarious to me. We're just gonna pretend the pre-LLM time period didn't have people mindlessly copy paste code into all of our known projects? At least with LLMs you can keep asking questions/sources for each prompt response unlike in the past. In the past you'd just get rude remarks by someone who ultimately didn't help you.

is lutris slop now

i can't help but notice quite a lot of LLM generated commits, is lutris slop now or will @strycore see the error of their ways

Regardless of your opinion on AI, it is not productive or helpful to open this as an issue.

How to drive off users and contributors in one easy step!

A shame that we're maybe not seeing how the person writing the issue and the maintainer agree on fundamental politics. Capitalism bad. Fascism bad.

After their refusal to update their ssl keys for the Debian repo, I'm not at all suprised by this.