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[-] Shyze3D@feddit.nl 17 points 2 hours ago

Gatekeeping. Being „leftist“ can be many things.

[-] essell@lemmy.world 12 points 2 hours ago

Gatekeeping. The only truly consistent definition of "Leftist" 😀

[-] JustJack23@slrpnk.net 8 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Yes "leftist" is relative to the overton window in your current time and space, but at the same time this argument has been used to co-opt and dilute movements.

So yeah the democrats for example can call themselves leftists, but no real leftist will take them seriously.

Additionally you can always use more precise terms to avoid this. Like anarcho-syndicalist, Marxism-Leninist, etc.

[-] punkisundead@slrpnk.net 4 points 2 hours ago

So uhh, leftists dont even mention that they oppose patriarchy? Sounds about right tbh, atleast from my experience

[-] Deceptichum@quokk.au 6 points 2 hours ago

It’s an issue of the meme format, it can’t include everything. But generally leftists are against all exploitation and oppression.

[-] punkisundead@slrpnk.net 7 points 2 hours ago

Its also in issue in the real world. So many leftists I met were super knowledgeable about anticapitalism and antiimperialism, also put that to practice, but were still misogynistic asshats and cared little for antiracism.

[-] Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 hours ago

Patriarchal society is an expression of capitalist imperialism thus opposition of capitalism and imperialism inherently opposes patriarchy. It's implied. It doesn't need to be said.

[-] punkisundead@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 hour ago

I would argue patriarchy was one of the reasons capitalism was actually able to exist and spread. Plus it also exists in non capitalist societies / contexts.

It’s implied. It doesn’t need to be said.

It definitely has to be said. Manarchists, brocialists and in general chauvinist on the left make it necessary. Because it isnt implied.

[-] Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 hour ago

Check my reply to the other comment, I don't feel like typing it out twice as it applies to both comments.

[-] Deceptichum@quokk.au 3 points 2 hours ago

It’s much older than that, religion is generally extremely patriarchal and predates capitalism.

[-] Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 hour ago

Yes, religion is another political entity that manifests in patriarchal society. Patriarchal society being an expression of capitalism and imperialism doesn't mean that patriarchal expression cannot come from other sources, only that capitalism and imperialism themselves are inherently patriarchal and thus opposition to them is inherently oppositional to patriarchal society.

It gets deeper into theory that if one isn't in opposition to patriarchy while saying that they oppose capitalism/imperialism is someone who isn't in actuality opposed to those systems as they still support the mechanisms of social interaction (gender norms and all that) that reinforce those systems but that's, like I said, getting into much deeper political theory that I don't have the books on hand to quote from.

It's intersectional. These things all play on each other and it gets complicated.

[-] Lemvi@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 hour ago

Bullshit divisions like this in the political left are why the right keeps winning.

[-] Deceptichum@quokk.au 4 points 1 hour ago

Ah typical right wingers, always trying to dilute the left until it's a meaningless word used by those who support capitalism.

The right keep winning, because capitalism owns the systems of power. If you stopped pandering to their whims and started to actually be anti-capitalist, anti-authority, anti-hierarchy, anti-patriarchy you could push for real change instead of begging for scraps of reformist electoral garbage.

this post was submitted on 26 Mar 2026
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