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[-] BC_viper@lemmy.world -1 points 3 hours ago

I mean you are allowed to. Nobody is saying you can't. But if you come up with a criticism thats a fucking stupid as yours probably are others are allowed to also criticize that.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 hours ago

And the intellectual power you bring to bear in your criticisms is truly remarkable. I am dealing with a liberal intellectual here.

[-] 9488fcea02a9@sh.itjust.works 7 points 8 hours ago

The worst is, "well at least we're not as bad as america! Go live there for a few years if you think things are bad in canada!"

I fucking hate living next door to them...

[-] aceslip@lemmy.zip 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Gr8 b8 m8 I r8 8/8 no h8

Edit - don’t waste your time. This is a Troll

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml -2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)
[-] aceslip@lemmy.zip 1 points 6 hours ago

Nope. Just calling out this shit take against liberals. The fight should be us against wealth. The rest is distraction.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 hours ago

It's not possible to fight against wealth when liberals shut down every criticism of the system built to ensure that the wealth becomes concentrated. No meaningful fight against the rich is possible until the core contradictions of liberalism are addressed.

Liberalism is a system that consists of two components which are fundamentally at odds with one another. First is political liberalism which espouses wholesome ideas such as individual freedoms and democracy. Second is economic liberalism centred around free markets, private property, and wealth accumulation. These two aspects form a contradiction. Political liberalism purports to support everyone’s freedom, while economic liberalism enshrines private property rights as sacred in laws and constitutions, effectively removing them from political debate.

As such, liberalism justifies the use of state violence to safeguard property rights, over supporting ordinary people, which directly contradicts the promises of fairness and equality. Private property is seen as a key part of individual freedom under this ideology, and provides the foundational justification for the rich to keep their wealth while ignoring the needs of everyone else. Addressing the inequality in Canada requires facing the problem of capitalist relations where a handful of people own the means of production and decide on how and why we work.

[-] aceslip@lemmy.zip 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Did you just take a civics course or something? We’re making the same point. You’re using liberalism in the correct way, but it’s not correct in the current social structure and your argument is getting lost. Liberals are a party. A left of centre belief today. The description you just posted is more of a libertarian and right view point. In fact the comic posted is satire of the right a-la Charlie Kirk “curious”. I think we’re on the same page but your verbiage is inciting the wrong message.

First is political liberalism which espouses wholesome ideas such as individual freedoms and democracy. Second is economic liberalism centred around free markets, private property, and wealth accumulation.

This is capitalism and libertarianism

justifies the use of state violence to safeguard property rights, over supporting ordinary people, which directly contradicts the promises of fairness and equality.

This is capitalism and authoritarian

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 hours ago

I'm not talking about liberals as party. I'm talking about the fundamental ideology that the state is built on in Canada. Every major party in Canada is a capitalist party. Liberalism at its core is a right wing ideology.

It's also weird to claim that the view point that the workers should own the means of production is libertarian and right wing. My claims, to spell it out for you, is that it's not possible to have meaningful democracy when a handful of oligarchs controls factories, stores, and decides the purpose of work. True democracy requires democratic ownership of the means of production where workers are able to do collective decision making.

It seems that you might be confused here, and perhaps would yourself benefit from taking a civics course sometime.

[-] aceslip@lemmy.zip -1 points 5 hours ago

Ok so you’re just being antagonistic and misinterpreting or acting in bad faith. I’m done. Good bye.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

I didn't misinterpret anything you said, but it's pretty clear that you're the one acting in bad faith here. Now that I've pointed out the fallacy of your claims you rush to make a personal attack and disengage. Bye.

[-] tardigrade@scribe.disroot.org -2 points 5 hours ago

What a hilarious kind of projection is this? Your own post history is nothing else than criticizing 'the system you live in,' so you're the best example that you can criticize the system.

Whenever you criticize the Chinese system in China however, it gets immediately deleted and you disappear.

This whole post is gobbledygook.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 hours ago

thank you for proving my point

[-] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de -1 points 8 hours ago

Good is the enemy of perfection, in tankie world.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

ah yes, this is so good, that only dumb tankies would dare to criticize it

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml -5 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Liberals construct their whole identity as opposition to the supposed authoritarian menace of countries like China, claiming that what differentiates us is that that we have the right to speak and to question the system. But as soon as someone actually does that, the mask falls off. You won’t get a real argument in return, instead you get mobbed by panicked accusations that you’re sowing division or speaking for some foreign power. The latter is particularly hilarious on a tiny community like Lemmy. It’s as if the only conceivable reason to be dissatisfied with what you see happening around you is that a hidden force has corrupted your mind.

In a place like China, the state has official mechanisms for social control. Here, the liberal system gets its order from the mob moral panic, concern trolling about public safety and social cohesion, and etc. And that rhetoric is used as cover for a wholesale purge of any dissent. Say the system isn’t working, and the standard response is to stop debating the policy and start attacking the dissenter. People will dig through your post history to brand you as a bad actor, and try to banish you from the sphere of civil discourse. It’s a soft power version of the very social credit systems liberals claim to despise, enforced by trolls in mortal fear of losing their tenuous moral standing. These people try to place themselves as moral censors, and what they really want is a society that appears free, but one where anybody with a conflicting opinion gets mobbed. There's a deep irony that these same people see themselves as champions of freedom of expression.

edit: amusingly this whole post itself serves as an example of what I'm talking about, immediate mobbing by the libs to shut down discussion, and slurs thrown my way, this is the freedom of speech liberals believe in

[-] BC_viper@lemmy.world -1 points 3 hours ago

Actually it just shows how dumb you are.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 hours ago

Amazing counterpoint you've mustered. Really highlights the quality of your intellect.

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