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[-] orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts 39 points 1 month ago

Protests that exist within the legal confines of the government you’re protesting against, are essentially just block parties. They’re a release valve.

[-] andrewrgross@slrpnk.net 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I mean no disrespect, but you're perpetuating a myth.

Revolutionary action relies heavily on benign protest for cover and recruitment. Anyone who wants to see a radical overthrow of the government should be thrilled by the No Kings marches.

I have this conversation often with a very experienced, very radical anarchist frequently. He constantly laments the wastefulness and short-sightedness of radicals who shit on the people who cultivate the recruiting pool and create giant, peaceful crowds for the more extreme element to operate concealed within, because they're too concerned with gatekeeping and value signaling to learn tactics.

Be radical. But also: understand that peaceful protest has a very important role to play.

[-] thatsnomayo@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 month ago

Your friend is an ELDERLY LIBERAL

[-] andrewrgross@slrpnk.net -2 points 1 month ago

I assure you that no one who has ever met him has made that mistake.

Also, I feel sad for you. If you're this unable to conceive of a person who knows something you don't know I suspect you're losing out on every opportunity for growth that passes your way.

[-] thatsnomayo@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago

Buddy I lived in Seattle before I left USA, and you think I've never met an anarcho-liberal before. You people are so useless and stuck-up! You're literally just democrats

[-] andrewrgross@slrpnk.net -2 points 1 month ago

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

[-] thatsnomayo@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago

Changing around your ideology doesn't make a damn difference man, what do you think "harm reduction" means for these people? It's just marching to "end fascism" through reform. Saying your goal is Total Anarchy is the same as the Trotskyist orgs saying reformism leads to Permanent Global Revolution. I have traced the fundraising for every org I came across

[-] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago
[-] orc_princess@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 month ago

This sounds like wishful thinking to me

[-] andrewrgross@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I don't think it's wishful thinking so much as an analysis. It's opinion, but I'm not really describing a hope for the future so much as my assessment on the present.

[-] promitheas@programming.dev 5 points 1 month ago

I read about this with relation to Malcolm X and Dr. King. Essebtially the point is that you guve the oppressor only two options: violent retaliation, or peaceful pacifyibg granting of rights. Malcolm X was a bigger threat, so the US government chose to go with the less damaging option of Dr. King, abd ultimately the civil rights movement's goals were achieved (largely, though inperfectly)

[-] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 13 points 1 month ago

Finally, something anarchists and communists can agree on

[-] Saymaz@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 1 month ago

Anarchists refused to seize the banks during the Paris Commune.

[-] woodenghost@hexbear.net 2 points 1 month ago

Yes, we're comrades who share a common struggle. But do you mean anarchists and marxists? Cause every single anarchist I know in real life is also a communist. And ever anarchist movement or org or squatting place or whatever too. Only online do I ever find anarchists who distance themselves from the idea of a stateless classless society (the universally accepted definition of communism). Like I assume you're okay with society being stateless. So you want it to have classes? Not really, right? Marxists and anarchists have different strategies for how to get there, but clearly every anarchists who wants a classless stateless society (i.e. communism) is also a communist.

[-] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 6 points 1 month ago

When I made this comment its because on Lemmy you'd think communists and anarchists are completely opposing ideologies with how much the users fight each other. Seems kinda strange if you ask me cause my experience is your's in real life. The anarchists and communists I know in person happily get along with each other and provide aide in the same ways. I assume it stems from an examination of the past instead of a focus on the changes occuring now. I think today communists and anarchists have more reasons than ever to unite.

[-] nobody_special@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

I'm new to the space and align more with Marcus thought but my understanding of the disagreements are that we disagree on the path to take to get to the final goal given the material conditions in the way (imperial states trying to destroy us, etc) I'm also probably oversimplifying the hell out of this.

[-] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 2 points 1 month ago

Sounds about right, same goal, differing paths, and a lot of mistrust. Which historically I get, but I guess just do good with those around you or whatever.

[-] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 9 points 1 month ago

"The banks" ah yes seize all the worthless money instead of learning from iran and occupying vital infrastructure

[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 25 points 1 month ago

Tbf this is just referencing the Paris commune which would genuinely have benefitted from siezing the banks instead of taking loans(lmao)

[-] howmuchlonger@lemmy.org 8 points 1 month ago

With all the lead poisoning in the US, I’d say it works on the plebs too.

[-] estrange_alien@leminal.space 5 points 1 month ago
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