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cross-posted from: https://news.abolish.capital/post/43161

Tyler Robinson

Another gaping hole has opened up in the supposedly ‘open and shut’ case against Tyler Robinson, the alleged killer of murdered US far-right activist Charlie Kirk.

Tyler Robinson

Kirk, who had begun to turn against Israel and refused approaches from Israel lobbyists just before his death, was murdered as he answered public questions in Utah. Footage from the FBI claims to show Tyler Robinson escaping shows an unrecognisable figure on a rooftop – with no gun. Robinson was then supposedly arrested in the woods with the gun. Court filings at the end of March 2026 then stated that the bullet does not even match the gun Robinson supposedly used.

The issues with the gun and with video and other evidence have led to huge speculation that Robinson is just an Oswald-type patsy. But the FBI claimed to have found a note under Robinson’s keyboard in the flat he shared with his lover, written in very atypical language for someone of Robinson’s age. And Robinson, under the handle “zealous_monkey_55095”, allegedly sent messages to friends on a ‘Discord’ chat server, confessing to Kirk’s murder. He had “bad news”, he wrote. Then he continued:

it was me at UVU yesterday. Im sorry for all of this. im surrendering through a sheriff friend in a few moments. thanks for all the good times and laughs, you’ve all been so amazing. thank you all for everything.

But the FBI’s timeline has fallen apart.

The timeline

In the public official narrative, Tyler Robinson turned himself in – after his father called a police officer friend – just before 9pm local time on 11 September 2025, a day after Kirk died. At the same time, 8.57pm, as he then supposedly sat for 2-2.5 hours in a custody suite waiting to be seen he wrote the Discord confession messages.

But documents released as part of attempts by Robinson’s lawyers to have cameras excluded from Robinson’s trial, completely overturn that narrative. One particular document, tagged as “Discovery Bates 000007”, shows that Robinson was already in custody and being reminded of his ‘Miranda’ rights at 6.25pm – more than two and a half hours earlier than the FBI has claimed:

In other words, Tyler Robinson’s phone would already have been taken away from him. So who sent the Discord messages?

As the Prospect notes, law enforcement officials have tried to claim that the interrogation was actually happening a day later, at 6.25pm on 12 September and that this explains away the time discrepancy. But this doesn’t fit with the evidence of the note itself. Robinson told officers that the lawyer he wanted to speak to was “closed for the night”. Friday 12 September 2025 was a Friday night, which would mean the office would have been closed for the weekend, but on 11 September would have been closed just until the morning.

What is going on?

The Washington County sheriff’s department repeatedly blocked public records requests filed by Salt Lake media for surveillance camera footage of Tyler Robinson entering and/or being held inside county police headquarters, which would have shown exactly when he was taken into custody. At first it claimed that Robinson had arrived at the building via a different entrance than the one mentioned in the request, then said the footage had been destroyed.

A former Utah prosecutor told the Prospect the timeline discrepancies are “a big problem for the prosecution”, particularly when combined with the missing footage and the recent resignation of the county sheriff over:

allegations that he had interfered in the investigation of another deputy who was charged in November on four counts of “unlawfully accessing, using, disclosing or disseminating criminal investigation records [in a different case].”

A bigger problem still if the bullet ballistics don’t match. Indeed, a huge problem.

Featured image via the Canary

By Skwawkbox


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[-] quick_snail@feddit.nl 60 points 6 days ago

I'm disappointed to see this compared to the Kennedy assassination.

Kirk was just some fascist jerk. He wasn't important, except for his assassination.

Kennedy was actually important outside of his assassination.

[-] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

It is comparable in the comparisons of the actual mechanics of the the shooting, and the subsequent government actions.

They're both assasination stories with dubious 'official stories' that have tons of problems and holes with them, as well as significant evidence of the government doing a coverup.

And also, while you might not like to hear this, and trust me I don't like saying it:

Charlie Kirk was really important to a lot of people.

He's basically a canonized Saint/Martyr of the MAGA religion... millions of people really did, and still do, hold him in high regard.

We can think he was a shitty person who said and did shitty things... that doesn't negate that a lot of similarly shitty people thought/think very highly of him.

They're making monuments of him, naming streets after him.

[-] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 8 points 6 days ago

He's basically a canonized Saint/Martyr of the MAGA religion... millions of people really did, and still do, hold him in high regard.

No, he's not, and they are already forgetting him. This last Turning Point conference was almost empty.

MAGAs don't do martyrs. They're all sociopaths, so they only care about themselves. Charlie Kirk was useful when he was alive, and for a short period after his death. That's all faded now, and nobody is motivated to keep his torch lit, because they've moved on.

His wife is about the only one left who cares at all, and that's only because she's trying to squeeze as much money out of his legacy as she can, but it was apparent from her first post- assassination appearance, that she was already past him.

Now that Turning Point is slipping in revenue, she'll be making an announcement soon of a new podcast, or FoxNews show, or some other lame excuse to trade on her MAGA celebrity.

Charlie who?

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[-] Railcar8095@lemmy.world 13 points 6 days ago

His life was unremarkable, but he did go out with a bang.

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[-] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 90 points 6 days ago

Oh no, the person who killed charlie kirk is out at large right now.

There are so many people that are in danger, Ben Shapiro, Trump, Joe Rogan...

They should act fast before someone else gets hurt while they are spewing technicalities and inciting hatred.

[-] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 19 points 6 days ago

clarkson_anyway.jpeg

[-] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 7 points 6 days ago

Hey ERIKA kirk did forgive him, she doesnt want to upset the right wingers, it ruins thier image that its not a leftist shooting kirk, its right on right violence.

[-] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 points 4 days ago

3 parties, erika, trump and netayahu(through his shills that were financially backing TPUSA)

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[-] nightwatch_admin@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago

Danger? At least one of them I suspect is the brain behind the attack

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[-] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 25 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

"the footage has been destroyed"

It's so weird how cameras just spontaneously stop working at key, vital moments, and then if they do work, the footage explodes

what are the odds?

¯\(ツ)

[-] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago

Similar to voting machines in the swing states that received a "minor update."

[-] Tinidril@midwest.social 5 points 5 days ago

Let's not start sounding like MAGA. We should need more to question election integrity than some software updates and shit-for-brains getting elected again.

It does raise the question of why we are getting our voting machines from the private sector without open standards and open source code. Even if it's perfectly legit, it invites a lot of really good questions.

[-] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 48 points 6 days ago

So many idiots have been doing this: Ballistics not being able to confirm the bullet was fired from that specific rifle in no way proves that it wasn't fired from that specific rifle.

Matching busted up bullets using scratch marks is like 90% TV crime show bs. They didn't say the bullet wasn't fired from the rifle. They just said they couldn't prove it was fired from that rifle. Massive difference.

[-] quick_snail@feddit.nl 12 points 6 days ago

Basically all forensics is TV BS

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[-] Aatube@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 5 days ago

The Canary is usually not considered a reliable source.

law enforcement officials have tried to claim that the interrogation was actually happening a day later, at 6.25pm on 12 September and that this explains away the time discrepancy. But this doesn’t fit with the evidence of the note itself. Robinson told officers that the lawyer he wanted to speak to was “closed for the night”. 12 September 2025 was a Friday night, which would mean the office would have been closed for the weekend, but on 11 September would have been closed just until the morning.

They're usually logical, though. Could someone explain where the discrepancy is supposed to be as shown in the last sentence? The officials claim he was interrogated on the 12th, and in the interrogation he said the lawyer was closed for the night, so that is consistent (and it wouldn't have been consistent if the interrogation happened on the 11th as initially believed).

A bigger problem still if the bullet ballistics don’t match.

Forensic ballistics analysis have been extensively criticized for uncertain accuracy for just 5 less years than the polygraph, IIRC.

[-] MrNobody@quokk.au 3 points 5 days ago

Oh wow great sources…

“Pro-Corbyn website The Canary denies it is antisemitic, then blames 'political Zionists' for forcing it to downsize” - The Jewish Chronicle

Gee there’s a real agenda being pushed by a few of the voters in there, I wonder what it could be.

Looking at the voting, it’s pretty evenly split between it being reliable or needing a bit of context and it being unreliable. Sadly not every site can be a pro-Israel biased “factual” conservative rag like the BBC.

[-] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

So... the four other examples of The Canary publishing fake stories given in that same post - do you want to comment on those, or just keep yelling about the jews...?

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[-] caboose2006@lemmy.world 18 points 6 days ago

If Candice Owens is right again so help me god I'm moving to Saint Helena.

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[-] 13igTyme@piefed.social 34 points 6 days ago

This article starts out in the best possible way.

Another gaping hole has opened up

[-] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 27 points 6 days ago

When did kangaroo courts get so bad at this? This is micky mouse type shit.

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[-] nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

if the assassination was meant as political activism, then picking this guy as the fall guy makes absolutely no sense.

not being able to confirm a match between a bullet and the gun, especially with no shell casings present, is completely normal.

his phone would not have been taken away from him if he had voluntarily showed up to speak to the police. he would not have been under arrest yet. they would have spent hours being very nice to him in a little room while getting as much information out of him as possible.

this conspiracy theory is brain dead stupid. stop this shit.

[-] fodor@lemmy.zip 9 points 6 days ago

I'm with you about the bullet casings. However, you don't need a conspiracy in order for the weird timeline discrepancies to exist. All it takes is one or more cops or prosecutors making up information. Once they've done that then there's a massive credibility issue.

We'll see what happens in the future, but obviously the defense is going to be trying to find out if there is a clear timeline. When did he turn himself in? Where was that? Was he being questioned before he was arrested? When was he arrested? Did they question him after he asked for a lawyer? All of those are basic timeline questions, and clearly there is some conflicting information.

Now, it's possible that the information is in conflict because people who were not directly involved guessed at what happened and got it wrong. I think right now it's too early to tell. If that's the case, if it's simply a situation of bad speculation, then he's still just as screwed as he was before. But the reality is that there are a lot of dirty or dishonest prosecutors and cops. If they are involved in this case, then who can say what kind of evidence will be excluded, and who can say what a jury would find convincing.

[-] PhoenixDog@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

his phone would not have been taken away from him if he had voluntarily showed up to speak to the police. he would not have been under arrest yet.

If they're reading you Miranda Rights, you're being detained in police custody and not allowed to leave. While not necessarily being charged, he isn't leaving that room if he just wants to go home.

He was under at least a custodial interrogation. 100% his phone was removed.

If I just had information knowing a friend killed someone and I went to police to talk to them and interview with them, they're not reading me my rights.

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[-] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Robinson was then supposedly arrested in the woods with the gun.

No no, he was supposedly able to ditch the gun in the woods where they found it fully assembled and placed in a box??!!? Yet in the roof footage you can see no such gun nor would it fit in a backpack assembled, we're expected to believe that he climbed to the roof with it disassembled in his bag, assembled it on the roof, shot Kirk, disassembled it and stashed it in his bag in the seconds after the shot and before he runs, (reportedly left the screwdriver needed for this on the roof), then we get the roof footage, he gets to the woods and reassembles the rifle with the screwdriver he left on the roof, leaves it in the woods in a box, and dips, all within like 30sec. Then they arrested him a bit later.

And also a 30-06 bullet got caught in soft tissue at ~150yd because "Charlie Kirk is Superman actually." Mmhmm.

[-] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 6 days ago

Meanwhile, Kash Patel is perenially drunk and generally missing in action, having psychotic episodes.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/2026/04/kash-patel-fbi-director-drinking-absences/686839/

You know, the head of the FBI, who was in charge of investigating this case, at least according to himself.

[-] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 7 points 6 days ago

too much cocaine no doubt.

[-] Alwaysnownevernotme@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

Hear me out. Not enough cocaine.

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[-] OldGrayDog@fedinsfw.app 16 points 6 days ago

Kirk was killed to distract from the Epstein files, everything leads back to the Epstein files, it's all connected.

[-] eletes@sh.itjust.works 9 points 6 days ago

Starting to believe the supposed Iranian hacker that Kirk had a small explosive charge hidden in some mic under his shirt, à la pager operation.

[-] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago

First time I've seen a picture of him, and I can't help but think maybe it wasn't politically motivated at all and he was just trying to absorb all the head-too-big-for-face power in the multiverse like the evil Jet Li in The One

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[-] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 6 points 6 days ago

Hm, sounds like reasonable doubt to me.

[-] AlphaOmega@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago

Pretty sure Israel killed him. But who the hell knows?

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[-] xSikes@feddit.online 11 points 6 days ago

Followed this and understood but so much bonkers happening that I just need two timelines of what happened and what actually being claimed. This is all over the place.

[-] SwingingTheLamp@piefed.zip 9 points 6 days ago

After spending too mich time puzzling it out, I find that it makes a lot more sense as one timeline: He turned himself in to the Washington Co. sheriff on the night of the 11th, was jailed and arrested in the wee hours of the 12th, transported to Utah Co., and interrogated there on the evening of the 12th. His parents had been trying to contact a lawyer, but by the time of the interrogation at 6:25PM, his office had closed. Trying to turn it into two timelines based, essentially, on the difference between "closed for the night" and "closed for the weekend" is, TBH, weak sauce. Also, one of the linked articles says that Robinson's defense attorney didn't make an issue of the discrepancy, which makes sense if there wasn't one.

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[-] MithranArkanere@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

We'll probably never know the truth, so I'm going to guess whatever I want because I am not a reporter, so I can editorialize as much as I want.

Chances are, he was being manipulated into doing it by someone who had watched one too many soap operas and thinks it's possible to get away with this kind of stuff.
The kid failed or chickened out; they had a backup plan to complete the job anyway, and he still worked as a fall guy.

[-] torik@lemmychan.org 7 points 6 days ago

These are the people that are going to go down in history as those who fought back.

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