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[-] Murse@slrpnk.net 15 points 2 weeks ago

Fortunately voting isn't mutually exclusive to any other flavor of activism. So, unironically: yes, please do vote, as often and informed as you're able to.

Light up some billionaire's warehouse on the way home if you want, but voting is easier and safer than pretty much any offer method of driving some rapid reform, so start with voting, and take whatever other action you feel still needs to take place.

Los of hate on voting lately... Why? Use every tool we've got.

[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago

I mostly agree. I see nothing wrong with voting, though I understand the folks who didn't vote in the last presidential election. I don't think voting matters all that much outside of local elections but do what you will. It's getting a lot of hate rn because it has felt very ineffective at preventing fascism and people are seeking alternatives.

[-] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

What we need is labor movement power like work stoppages, but far more organizing is needed before we can do that effectively

[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago

Absolutely, convincing liberals of this necessity is imperative

[-] r1veRRR@feddit.org 0 points 2 weeks ago

Well, according to the logic present in this very thread, some people have tried organizing, but they haven't single handedly stopped fascism, ergo organizing labor is useless, just like voting. There's nothing we can do that doesn't require a large amount of people to organize and invest time, effort and money. Of all the options, voting is (because of laws) still the cheapest, most legal, least likely to get you fired option. And we can't even manage that.

[-] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I'm sorry but jumping to 'organizing is useless' makes absolutely no sense.

Why do you think you even have a weekend or benefits in the first place? The gains made by the militant labor organizing in the last century.

If organizing was useless, governments wouldn't spend all the immense time and money to break, weaken, and dissolve unions. They do so because they recognize the real threat organizing has.

I'm not saying organizing is the one thing we need. There is no singular thing. A united front is needed. Every avenue both inside and outside the system. Co-opting the Dem party to be a party for the people, outside organizations like DSA to keep politicians accountable, labor organizing to wield our collective power to ensure our demands are met, voting, coalition building, mutual aid, International organizing, ect.

This is a class war, we have no luxury of choosing a single angle of attack.

[-] Murse@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 weeks ago

I share that frustration, but discouraging voters from showing up isn't going to help anything: focus your anger at the actual fascists, not the ballot box.

Actually achieving some meaningful reform is a complex project that requires every tool in the box. If you run into a stripped screw, don't get mad at the screwdriver for not working, but instead reach for your other tools to use alongside the driver. Might need to grab it with a vicegrip (like a general strike) or whack it with a hammer (like a molotov cocktail), but don't just discard the screwdriver - the screws aren't all stripped, and the project is a lot bigger than just the one striped screw. If the next screw is also stripped, by all means light up another, uh, hammer... but the screwdriver is the easiest and most effective option for the parts of the project that aren't already fubar.

So... advocating for alternatives when they're called for: absolutely necessary! Throwing the screwdriver away: unnecessary and critical error.

[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 weeks ago

Unfortunately voting requires electoralist action, which takes a lot of effort and motivation from those doing it (literally year-long amount of man-hours) which absolutely is mutually exclusive with actually useful things

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[-] pennomi@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago

Remember folks, it’s always easier to break something than to build it. That’s why morons like Trump are so successful.

[-] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Agreed, but then why is the us voting public obsessed with having a candidate who says they will snap their fingers and immediately bring israel to heel, fix the economic inequalities in the system, erase the conservatives, guarantee affordable healthcare, tax billionaires, remove AIPAC, lower inflation and cure cancer in their first month of office?

Its like people dont know how the sysyem works anymore.

[-] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 2 weeks ago

It's even more fun when they help the fascists while attacking anyone left of Gavin Newsom.

[-] MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca 6 points 2 weeks ago

It's almost like you have to win the election...

[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

They did in 2020, and then they did nothing to prevent fascism. The fascist did not face serious detrimental consequences of any kind. In fact they actively coveted and aided Israeli fascist which harmed their ability to get reelected.

[-] pirate2377@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 weeks ago

Did Biden win the senate? Did he appoint the judges for the supreme court? I agree that he mishandled the conflict in Israel, but I not sure what Biden could have done to stop the abolishment of Roe v Wade as an example. If anything, he did a good job bringing us back to some sense of stability after Trump's 1st term ended in disaster. We should critize the Democrats for their mismanagement in that goal, but this consensus that Republicans and Democrats are exactly the same I've been seeing everywhere is ridiculous. It's a false equivalence fallacy

[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

My problem is not with the individual my issue is with the deomcratic party. You are correct that there wasn't anything Biden could actually do on his own. It would take a collective effort and likely military cooperation. It would cause political mayhem and be detrimental to the country as a whole and possibly destroyed the democratic party. It could prevent fascism though. I'm not saying any of this is easy or legal but it could have prevented fascism. Instead they did nothing of consequence.

I am personally of the opinion that fascism is incapable of being prevented through official means under capitalist liberal democracy so everything I say here is effectively meaningless. I'm sort of arguing that people in a system incapable of stopping fascism should have just done it anyway. Point is, you either have to accept that the democrats did nothing to stop fascism or that capitalist liberal democracy is incapable of stopping it and should be abandoned. Assuming you agree that the Trump administration is fascist.

You would probably refer to me as an authoritarian yeah but I think the term is meaningless. As far as I'm concerned all states are authoritarian and my endgoal is the dissolution of all states.

Edit: Roe v Wade should have been codified far before they had the chance to dismantle it but the democrats used it like a carrot on a stick.

[-] FunkyStuff@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Did Biden win the senate?

It seems that now that Trump is president, what congress says doesn't matter at all and the President can do whatever.

Did he appoint the judges for the supreme court?

He could've expanded it, like FDR threatened to do and forced the court to let him do some of the New Deal reforms they were previously opposed to. Biden never lifted a finger with regards to that. This also could've maintained Roe v Wade.

I agree that he mishandled the conflict in Israel,

it's a genocide
"mishandled" is a really egregious weasel word for "gave unconditional support to the government even as approval ratings slid down the drain"

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[-] libre_warrior@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 weeks ago

For me it was how the democratic establishment used all their energy on undermining the Bernie campaigns of 2016 and 2020. They litterally would rather have fascist president than seeing change.

[-] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

My GF at time was a true-blue Democrat who volunteered for her party during Bernie's campaign, she was there for primaries. I told her there was NO WAY that the Ds would allow him to run for office.

After, she came home very upset, just devastated with what she had seen. She never told me what happened, she refused to talk to me about it. We were over shortly after

She stopped volunteering.

I encourage everyone to volunteer and see how things are done in local politics, it's a real eye opener

[-] MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

the Ds would allow him to run for office.

Those "D"s are called primary voters.

Anyone who helped Trump win is not a Bernie supporter.

[-] BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Don't forgot Zoran Mamdani, they would let Bloomberg split the vote and not endorse a mayoral candidate. They'd let a Trump republican win before an avowed socialist.

[-] zd9@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

Ain't no way the ruling elite can risk any peasants actually getting the idea of taxing billionaires and holding them accountable in other ways.

In the short term with a first past the post system, harm reduction in voting D is unfortunately the way to go, but let's not kid ourselves and think they actually want real change.

[-] MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Republicans cut taxes for billionaires, because we let them take over the government.

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[-] anotherspinelessdem@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago

The only way forward is to liquidate the billionaires as a class.

[-] limer@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago

Most people who read and write the comments here are frustrated because there is no known mechanism to have large scale change in the USA. Only minor victories that are easily lost to time.

[-] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 2 points 2 weeks ago

Vote with one hand, throw a brick with the other.

[-] Bluedragon012@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

To quote Malcom X: "It's the ballot, or the bullet."

We gonna have to get mean of we want it to change. Looking at the comments, we are already there.

[-] bonsai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 weeks ago

They tampered with the ballot box. If they won't listen to the soap box, The only box left is the ammo box.

[-] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago

You forgot jury box! Everybody look up "jury nullification".

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[-] cmeu@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

The assumption that the Democrats aren't fascist is why the cycle remains unbroken

They're all corrupt. Just ask the dead Palestinians

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