Interested in buying a framework in the future, but only one with a flip-over touchscreen.
Are the touchscreens pressure sensitive? Can they be used for art?
Interested in buying a framework in the future, but only one with a flip-over touchscreen.
Are the touchscreens pressure sensitive? Can they be used for art?
What do they use for the fingerprint login, I have something working on my t480s but I think it's python and not exactly fast to login... Maybe something in Rust or Framework is using some other libraries? Foss?
All the distros use fprintd, but that's not related to Framework aside from the laptop using a sensor that fprintd supports.
Thank you for the reply. I will dig around there.
this looks cool, but i have a note for those willing to stop using their working but more proprietary devices to get this instead.
while this is more repairable and upgradable than most currently popular laptops, you shouldn't upgrade if you don't need to. if your device works, and you can live with the missed performance and other features, don't condemn it to the e-waste bin, where it will most likely not be efficiently disposed of nor recycled, and add to the at least 62 million tonnes of yearly e-waste that is also processed by socially vulnerable people (including children) in economically disadvantaged nations.
if you don't have to waste it, don't. reduce.
Agreed! Plus I buy almost all tech reburbished or used these days. Most of the time it's a way better deal especially when running Linux. At worst sometimes the battery is bad so I only buy stuff where that is replaceable.
i envy you; every-single-attempt that i've made to purchase second hand has blown up in my face.
They could put it on eBay. Win-win?
Or donate to NetBSD foundation. NetBSD tends to keep old hardware alive.
giving it to someone else is good too
Ofc if you want to throw away your old laptop you should give it to me instead :3
Unironicaly though there should be a mass program where old PC parts and tech are donated from people who don't want it to people who do (for example an old laptop that a retro collector might want or a broken laptop someone else might be willing to fix)
This is really cool, I hope they end up taking off. I wish there was something similar to this in the EU. I'd be very interested in a laptop I can upgrade over time.
They are sold in Europe, no need to wait!
I appreciate the heads up, but I'm trying to buy from EU if I can.
Ah then your comment makes sense. In Europe the closest we have are the Linux laptops from Tuxedo, which I've heard are pretty repairable, but not really upgradeable.
Tuxedo is actually who I'm probably going to end up going with. Repairability is a must, upgrading I'm okay with being a "nice to have" for now. My fingers are crossed for something during the next upgrade cycle, though!
Tuxedo (and most of "European" and/or "Linux" brands like Slimbook, XMG/Schenker etc.) are rebranded Tongfang or Clevo laptops though. They are neither designed nor made in Europe.
Right, but if I spend money at an EU business, it doesn't go away and might expand to design or make their own computers, or it might move the needle by showing a stronger interest in EU companies that allows for a company that does design parts in the EU to take that space.
Europe doesn't make RAM, or processors or WiFi chips. Why do you want a European dude assemble parts for you?
Because I would rather pay a European company over an American company where possible for similarly valued products. By supporting a company here, I am hopefully contributing to an expanding market here.
I am of the same opinion, but when it comes to laptops, I'd rather go for an american company that cares about repairability, sustainability, and genuinely good laptops than a EU company without those values. It's not all black and white, and this is a clear case where paying a US company is one of the better choices.
Framework sells DIY kits so the European dude assembling the laptop could be himself!
I think framework are worthy of support even though the company is American.
So yes, I'm not buying US goods as much as I can also. I make an exception for Framework. They're the resistance in an occupied nation.
I propose a little cultural exchange. I'm sure Framework and Fairphone could stand to do a little cross pollination.
I love my original Framework running Fedora, but in order to compete with MacOS, Windows and Linux need to figure out standby battery usage without hard shutting down after each use. Otherwise, the size of the battery is not pointless, but pretty close.
Don't have a Framework, but I think it's due to the whole 'modern standby' approach where the firmware doesn't implement 'standby' anymore and just let's the OS put everything into as low power state as possible, component by component.
It doesn't work well for Windows either, which is why a Windows laptop I have will 'standby' for maybe 15 minutes before shutting itself down for 'hibernate'. I figure they decided that NVME means resume from hibernate is 'good enough' and modern standby is such a power hog that they can't pull it off.
Problem in Linux is that they view SecureBoot as a promise they cannot keep if they resume from disk, so they block hibernate if SecureBoot is enabled, making it hard to bank on as a reliable recourse.
This is quite an impressive launch from Framework. Even with the high RAM and storage prices, it is still cost competitive with an equivalent MacBook Pro (my yardstick for mid-high end laptops), but with a fully open design you can run Linux on without any virtual machines, and with (claimed) nearly equal battery life. I am somewhat disappointed though by that display, in my opinion touch is not as worthwhile compared to a display with local dimming (OLED/Mini LED).
Man I was really hoping for a haptic touchpad compatible with the current input cover... At least they kept the Pro input cover compatible with the regular chassis, although it's a very pricey upgrade.
Well, not as powerful as my m5 pro macbook, but incredibly compelling. Should macOS/apple piss me off sufficiently I’m glad to know I have a good option to move to although it seems I’d be missing out on hdr? It’s frustrating that the framework feels like such a me coded device and I love Linux but there’s stuff I use/like about macOS that I can’t quite replicate just yet. I hope framework really does takeoff, would love one of these as my work issued machine instead of shitty dell laptops someday.
If bribing a fascist president with a literal gold bar, refusing to comply with EU law and then complying maliciously years later, global tax dodging, and anti-competitive behavior isn’t enough to piss you off sufficiently, I’m not sure what will.
When the Motorola Graphene phones are available, I’m dumping my iPhone, which is my last Apple device.
good battery life is nice, but does Linux's bibernation or suspend work reliably on this? Asking because coming from Lenovo, the power performance is not a problem but it is the power management. Unless I am on a Window version specifically for that Lenovo laptop or I am on a Mac, there is always that 10% chance the laptop will fail to suspend properly.
Suspend works just fine with Fedora KDE on my AMD Framework 13. I don't know about hibernation, since I use FDE and Linux still doesn't support encrypted hibernation.
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