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According to the latest annual report from the Linux Foundation (LF), less than 3% of its budgetary resources are allocated to the thing it is named after!

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[-] psycotica0@lemmy.ca 109 points 5 days ago

It's nice of this poster to ignore the $181m spent on "other projects" and conclude this is some kind of scam. If we include the Linux Kernel with the other projects part, that's about 67%, or two thirds, of their expenses are paying for various and assorted open source projects. Among them the kernel. So if you're a "cash and cash alone" person, then 2/3rds of your money is still going as cash to software projects.

And if we include things like community tooling and project services, which may help a project in ways beyond just cash that becomes about 78% in total, or over three quarters.

That's pretty good, I think, but to each their own.

[-] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 119 points 5 days ago

Well yeah only 3% go to the kernel. Most of the rest seems to be going to everything else required for a functional OS. The kernel alone is fairly useless.

[-] artifex@piefed.social 49 points 5 days ago

So what you're saying is it's not Linux, it's somethingElse/Linux ?

[-] iByteABit@lemmy.ml 34 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)
[-] Jesus_666@lemmy.world 26 points 5 days ago

You see, that's just inaccurate. GNU/Linux is not equivalent to GNU+Linux. That would be addition; this is division. The bigger Linux gets, the smaller GNU/Linux becomes.

That's why they've developed GNU/Hurd. Hurd is unlikely to ever amount to much, meaning that GNU/Hurd will never evaluate to a small value. And that is cold, hard mathematical fact.

[-] tabular@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago

Hurd rescently became an option with Gentoo Linux (experimentally). Debian offers it too.

[-] Jesus_666@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

As does Arch AFAIK. It's still very niche, though.

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[-] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Its software packages required to build functional GNU/Linux operating systems. Yes.

Normal people just call all of this "linux" for simplicity, but annoying people keep feeling a need to point out the distinction.

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[-] ergonomic_importer@piefed.ca 8 points 5 days ago

Or as I like to call it, somethingElse+Linux

[-] tabular@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

GNU stands for "GNU's not Unix", which itself means 'GNU's not Unix not Unix'. If two nots logically undo each other then you might say GNU is Unix but in programming you would likly apply one assignment at a time: expressed as GNU = ! Unix = Unix or simply GNU's not Unix.

[-] lauha@lemmy.world 15 points 5 days ago

the kernel alone is fairly useless

Any essential part is usually fairly useless without the other parts

[-] neclimdul@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

Yeah I was wanting more. This looks like things that support development. Being open-source, a lot of developers have day jobs elsewhere so kinda makes sense the line items for paying them might be small.

Was this coming from within the kernel community?

[-] dragnucs@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 days ago

Seems to be going to Corporate Operations, Event Services, Project Support. But little goes to Linux kernel, and project infrastructure.

[-] BartyDeCanter@piefed.social 17 points 5 days ago

What do you think Project Support is?

[-] ms_lane@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

Paying a bunch of marketing people to fly around the world attending conferences that only they go to, to talk about more conferences they'll be hosting for the same purpose.

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[-] ech@lemmy.ca 12 points 5 days ago

Yeah, the money's "going to" two of the least funded categories in the chart. 🙄

[-] jaypatelani@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 days ago

That's i believe is diversity in OS market. More funding to NetBSD and other alternative OSes should be done.

[-] stoicEuropean@lemmy.ml 56 points 5 days ago

Mhm, I think this is more complicated than it looks. The LF today isn't a direct Linux kernel funding body and more an umbrella for open-source governance (infrastructure, events, certification, security work, to name a few). So the other 97% are not necessarily wasted. Also, many kernel developers are paid outside of the LF by companies like Red Hat, Google, AMD, SUSE, Microsoft. So in reality there is alot more cash flowing towards Linux kernel development. A better/sharper criticism would be that the LF has become an industry consortium for "enterprise open source" or so, rather than a Linux-centered foundation. The counterpoint on the other Hand is that this founded infrastructure is exactly what allows large-scale open-source projects to function in the first place.

[-] huf@hexbear.net 14 points 5 days ago

yeah, some of the budget goes to what looks like maintaining infrastructure that other projects use (i assume). but the 12% AI and 4% blockchain are pretty indefensible...

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[-] blackbrook@mander.xyz 12 points 5 days ago

There could well be a kernel of valid criticism in it but this article is so exaggerated and strident, that I can't take it seriously. It's like people who scream GOVERNMENT WASTE about every budget line item that is not obviously important to someone who has only the most simple and ignorant understanding of it.

[-] OwOarchist@pawb.social 23 points 5 days ago

Okay, but … while in some circles, “Linux” does indeed mean just the Linux kernel, it’s often used more casually to refer to the entire operating system and open source ecosystem that make Linux usable on servers, home PCs, and a bunch of other devices.

Sure, strictly speaking, only the kernel is technically “Linux” … but if you have a machine with only the kernel on it and absolutely nothing else, you’re going to have a bad time and that machine won’t be useful for very much.

While only a small portion of their funding goes to the kernel, it seems from looking at their charts that a majority of their funding is going to things that will (at least in theory) help make life better for most people who are running and using the Linux kernel. My only real complaint from looking at those charts is that they’re spending 12% on “AI, ML, Data & Analytics”. Fuck that shit.

[-] ms_lane@lemmy.world 13 points 4 days ago

'Corporate Operations' gets double the budget of the Kernel itself.

Some people are living very well doing absolutely nothing.

[-] SocialistVibes01@lemmy.ml 28 points 5 days ago

Corpos doing what corpos do better.

12% to AI

Yikes

[-] eldavi@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 days ago

that was the most worrying part of it to me; nothing is safe from ai apparently.

[-] SocialistVibes01@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 days ago

Linus and Greg aren't willing to save anything either.

[-] eldavi@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 days ago

They rolled over on the American government's demand to expell Russian contributors like puppies begging for a treat.

Linux has become as captured as any Western institution.

[-] SocialistVibes01@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 days ago
[-] eldavi@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 days ago
[-] SocialistVibes01@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 days ago

No.

America is a continent. There are more non yankees (or genocide supporters) than yankees in America.

[-] eldavi@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 days ago

i understand what yankee means and my use of the word "american" here was intentional.

yes, the yankee gov't has captured linux.

a significant portion of the people in this community don't know the word "yankee" but they're capable of understanding it and to express the idea to them, you have to use words or expressions that fit the context this group's frame of reference so that they can fully understand the idea you're trying to express without it getting lost in translation; the people who exist at the intersection of multiple identities call it "code switching".

[-] SocialistVibes01@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 days ago

I'm not going to dispute that. But that got me thinking: how to express what collectivist values entail to a highly individualistic individual? Shared gains aren't a commodity to them. I'd like to hear (well, read) your perspective.

[-] eldavi@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

my professional experience in this field for the last 22 years has taught me that a overwhelming majority of the professionals of this community are members of the american/yankee aligned labor aristocracy; that should inform you of their perspectives when it comes to individualistic behavior and shared gains.

nevertheless -- as it is in the real world -- there are still many who believe in collectivism and also believe that we can apply our craft to build helpful/needful technology-based improvements to the human condition.

linux and it foss ecosystem was one of the most recent achievements of these efforts and my comment was intended to lament that it's taken it's first step towards becoming another capitalist tool.

[-] SocialistVibes01@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 days ago

It looks like the fate of FOSS was predetermined to be bleak in the West.

[-] eldavi@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago

i suppose it was considering the libertarian-esque knee jerk reactionary impetus that came a result of the influence of its initial creators. e.g. stallman.

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[-] savvywolf@pawb.social 9 points 5 days ago

Most actual Linux code changes come from large companies implementing or improving drivers for their own hardware.

The Linux foundation mostly manages the Linux "brand". That is, all the logistics and infrastructure required to run a huge project with many stakeholders.

[-] mactan@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 days ago

eyeballing it, that all looks like stuff that an organization of that scale would have to spend money on, and better the entity and its sponsors paying instead of kernel developers

[-] RainbowBlite@piefed.ca 3 points 5 days ago

Why is it so important for Linus Torvalds' salary to be in the top 10? He might think it is fair, based on his current contributions to the project.

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