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submitted 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) by pglpm@lemmy.ca to c/linux@lemmy.ml

For those interested on the question of age verification and GNU/Linux: be aware that Systemd v261-rc1 was recently released. It now implements an optional birth date field in the JSON user database (see second item under "Other changes").

The implementation of this field was prompted by age-verification or -attestation laws.

(Age-verification status of Open Source Operating Systems.)

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[-] excel@lemming.megumin.org 10 points 2 hours ago

Yes, right next to the fields for your full name and address, all of which are optional. It’s a total nothingburger.

[-] AndrewZabar@lemmy.world 12 points 5 hours ago

Could someone explain to me why numerous Linux development groups are jumping on board with this bullshit? This is I think the third such post I've read that a distro or however you call it, is integrating the age check. Since when does the Linux community get on board with Big Brother????

[-] girsaysdoom@sh.itjust.works 12 points 4 hours ago

A surprising amount of people in the open source community lean alt-right including the lead dev of systemd, some of FUTO, and others like hyprland, etc. Others like the actual dev that committed the age field code to systemd state they are apolitical but in reality are actually enabling those that want to do harm.

[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 hours ago

Because it's a legal requirement in some areas now.

[-] girsaysdoom@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 hours ago

But who is checking? Last I read, these laws were created in a few states as a preventative measure against potential Federal laws that could push these issues even further. I haven't heard of any enforcement plans to date or anything about how it should report, just "add age verification to operating systems."

[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 hours ago

It's not up to the systemd team to decide for you what your risk tolerance is. They're just providing a means to be compliant should you want/need it.

[-] kibiz0r@midwest.social 0 points 3 hours ago

Anyone know the status of Chimera Linux wrt age verificarion?

[-] lambipapp@lemmy.world 60 points 11 hours ago
[-] shweddy@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago
[-] M33@piefed.world 5 points 10 hours ago
[-] M33@piefed.world 17 points 10 hours ago

It’s sad because at some point, when mainstream browsers will actually rely on systemd for that, website will block you.

Given enough time and ressources, that age control will hit hard like DRM.

[-] nocteb@feddit.org 4 points 7 hours ago

And then people will find another way to do what they want. Similar as they did with the internet as it started. It was not always a commercial cesspool, it started as a very nerdy space and replaced TV as a primary source of information. We can do it again. History does not show a pattern of people submitting, but a history of revolution.

[-] AndrewZabar@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago

The masses submit; the vast majority submits. When they start to bind it at the hardware level - when eventually a government issued ID becomes required to literally enable hardware to work, then we are all screwed. You can always make your own software but not so much make your own CPU.

Then when they need to deal with the older tech aftermarket so they pass laws prohibiting older tech, it's all fucked.

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[-] racoon@lemmy.ml 5 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Why the fuzz? If the website blocks you, just upload your government issued ID to regain access and protect your privacy and anonymity online

[-] thingsiplay@lemmy.ml 10 points 9 hours ago

This is the end. Everyone switch to FreeBSD.

[-] racoon@lemmy.ml 7 points 8 hours ago

It is the year of FreeBSD on both the desktop and the server

[-] jxk@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 hours ago

Not until Netcraft confirms it

[-] flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 4 points 8 hours ago

LMAO, good one!

[-] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 24 points 12 hours ago
[-] thingsiplay@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 hours ago

I like my popcorn with sugar instead salt.

[-] Frenchgeek@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 hours ago

Is the default value set to "True"?

[-] yetAnotherUser@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 hours ago

Why would an optional field have a default value? Shouldn't it just be unset?

[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 hours ago

For... a date field?

[-] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 5 points 7 hours ago

Possibly 0 (zero) which would default to January 1, 1970.

[-] RalfWausE_der_zwote@feddit.org 2 points 11 hours ago

Be aware that there are still distros out there which *doesn't * subscribe to that madness... Devuan and Artix to name just two for starters

[-] flying_sheep@lemmy.ml -1 points 8 hours ago

These aren't serious. Their mission statements are nothing but childish contrariness.

E.g. Artix has a “no true Scotsman” right in their tagline about “real” init system. Only 14 year old master debaters will attempt to deny that systemd is a “real” init system with a straight face.

[-] RalfWausE_der_zwote@feddit.org -1 points 6 hours ago

Of course is this gargantuan monstrosity an init system, but it compares to an real init system like a mouse compares to a whale

[-] flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 3 points 6 hours ago

If you criticize something because of perceived bloat, maybe don't make it the mouse in your metaphor.

And no, it's a great init system that has all the features one wants. That's why it ended up taking over: it was the first really good init system that introduced actual dependencies and so on.

[-] DarkMetatron@feddit.org 4 points 5 hours ago

That is so true. For me, who works as a Systemadministrator, systemd is about the best thing that happened to linux in a long time! It makes my work so much easier

[-] RalfWausE_der_zwote@feddit.org 2 points 5 hours ago

It took only over because it was pushed by big tech and its bootlickers

In the company I work for NO system uses Systemd and it will stay this way until someone takes my model m keyboard from my cold dead hands!

[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 hours ago

Oh my God.. I feel for this poor company after you leave. 🤣

[-] flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 hours ago

Your conspiracy myth is wrong, and if you actually care about what's true, you can confirm what I say very easily for yourself:

Just go to the mailing list archives and forums and follow the decision making discussions of the time. E.g. Arch Linux. This will quickly and decisively convince you that “big tech” had nothing to do with it.

But you don't care about the truth, do you? You just want the comfortable position of being able to look down on all the mainstream fools.

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