I feel sorry for them. But then again, this is what they want.
They oppose making parking expensive.
They oppose bus lanes
They oppose bike lanes.
They oppose trains
They oppose train stations.
They oppose congestion pricing.
They oppose any measure that might reduce car dependency.
More lanes wil definitely fix this issue
Just one more lane....
Doug Ford wants to build a tunnel under it to add more lanes.
Yes, he's as stupid as he sounds.
No he doesn't he just wants a convenient way to funnel money to people paid to 'study' this boondoggle.
It's only 16 lanes. Have they try 32 lanes?
They want to build a tunnel underneath it to add more lanes, so unironically yes.
underground trafficjam, mmmmmmmm
The key feature is, this /c won’t be able to post overhead pictures of the underground traffic.
It's around 18 or 19 at its widest so it isn't like they aren't trying.
This topic just reminded me of AI. We are told we just need to build more capacity and AI will get better and more reliable. Just one more lane(data centre) and we’ll solve all the issues.
Worth calling out who "they" are, cause I know a LOT of people who don't want this.
The federal government certainly doesn't seem like they're doing much to reduce car dependency right now with the motion to fast track oil and gas pipelines. (Worth editing in this part for those in the UK: Yes, the current government is led by the same Carney you might know.)
The provincial government, where this highway is situated, proposed adding a tunnel, yes you read that right, A FUCKING TUNNEL!, underneath this highway TO ALLOW MORE CARS ON THE ROAD.
The Toronto City Council (which, to be fair, has less sway here) is filled with car-brained nutjobs from the suburbs who oppose every measure that they perceive makes it harder for them to get into the city.
I feel sorry for them. But then again, this is what they want.
No, it's what the GTA suburban people want. I live in Ottawa but travel to Toronto quite often and the actual city doesn't want any of that shit but our province is run by a petty mob boss
You can thank my fellow Ontarians for being fucking morons and electing Doug Ford who rewards his contractor buddies with expensive projects like making another layer of highway instead of improving our ailing railway infrastructure.
Doug Ford wants to double it by digging a tunnel underneath the 401. Not for electric trains. But more cars. Because I really want to drive in darkened smoggy tunnels.
Tunnel ventilation is a solved problem. I'd actually prefer if all city highways were underground.
I can't wait for the entire tunnel to be closed by an accident. If you thought being stuck on the 401 was bad enough when there's an accident, now try having absolutely nothing to look at while you do so! And if something catches fire, it'll be far worse than above ground.
Another lane, maybe?
Yeah, there's so much unused space in this picture: houses, trees, ... Those could all be roads. Really this picture just shows how the woke "not everything is a road" policy has failed regular, everyday drivers.
Here’s an idea: If we have people live in their cars, we can eliminate housing and parkland and successfully turn all land into highways!
just one more lane bro. i promise bro just one more lane and it'll fix everything bro. bro... just one more lane. please just one more. one more lane and we can fix this whole problem bro. bro c'mon just give me one more lane i promise bro. bro bro please i just need one more lane
Every one of those transport trucks could be consolidated into one freight train...
But also, fuck the cars
That must be so fucking loud to be near
Oh it is, and there's "luxury" condos right beside it selling for stupid high prices
If I'm right about where this is, it's also right by Pearson Airport, and is the busiest stretch of road in North America by average daily traffic.
What a horrible highway to drive through. The very few times I've been to Toronto, I have dreaded driving through this. It's ridiculous.
When did we, as a people, decide that this is development?
Metro Toronto is a disappointment. It should be have been doubling its subway network every 20 years. Instead it shut down a line, added a few stations on another, and built LRT that's slower than the bus it replaced.
It needs express subway tracks, GO with 10 minutes headways, and transit oriented development able to house 10k people within a ten minute walk of every GO stop which means zoning for density,
Pay for it by owning the land around stations like HK or Singapore and leasing it to developers for 40 story affordable apartments, increasing the gasoline tax, and putting tolls on the 401 and Gardiner.
Toronto is a transportation nightmare. It's time to adopt successful models from Asia to make transit fast, convenient, and cheap while making driving fast, convenient, and incredibly expensive. Fill in with protected bike lanes and the city will be liveable and affordable with great air quality
Toronto is one Ford family grift piled on top of another. All city planning is based on favours owed to their buddies or to keep their degenerate relatives afloat.
You didn't mention toll booths to pay for the maintenance. Those can still be added.
Yeah these stupid anti car people don’t get it. We just need an extra lane! Get rid of train tracks and bike lanes to free up more space!
Maybe instead of cars everyone can have motorhomes. Then we won’t have houses or neighbourhoods getting in the way of us building more lanes!!
/s just in case
Just one more lane bro
401 is a disaster but I disagree with some of your points. Parking is expensive as fuck, especially downtown. Trains are available, they are actively building a new LRT system. The city is dense as fuck so where would you propose putting more stations?
Lrt is kinda hot garbage though and had eglington area shutdown for like 15 years to build a system that's slower than a bus and added insane complexity to every traffic light sequence at each intersection
For the above ground portion anyway. They are fucking morons for not making it above the road, seperate from traffic and intersections... its just a longer slower bus that needed all that extra infrastructure built just to follow the existing road
Parking is super expensive. Even employees at Sunnybrook hospital pay exorbitant rates
Really wish they would add more subway, fully underground only (or above road!), fuck congesting roads further, look at the extension through YorkU into Vaughan, 50 mins from Union to YorkU? That is a thing of beauty
Are they talking about the LRT that someone beat from one end to the other by racing on foot? Yeah... that's totally a great LRT!!!!
Trains are technically available in Canada, but let's be honest, they aren't reliable, have bad schedules, are unnecessarily complex in certain cases (I have seen that they weigh your luggage like you are boarding an airplane...) and just are not a good service in general.
Toronto has promise from what I can tell because they are trying to build a new metro line, but it has been delayed many a time sadly (common trend) and has ballooned in cost. Just gotta hope.
Vancouver skytrains are great. Autonomous elevated metro, every 3-5 minutes in some cases.
There's a new line going in to extend even further outside current metro boundaries.
I think Calgary and Vancouver have decent trains to be honest. Montreal seemed good when I was there too.
Take 1 lane away, and put a subway down the middle of that bad boy.
this is the first thing I have seen from toronto that makes me not want to live there (but I do because all the other stuff)
The thing you have to understand is that unlike American major cities Toronto actually has not a ton of smaller freeways.
The other thing to understand is that the 401 is not just traffic in Toronto, it's also the major connecting highway for about 50 percent of the province. So it's not just local traffic. Anyone trying to get to places opposite Toronto have to take this highway.
The province built a new Highway called 407 in order to help traffic bypass the city. Then the provincial conservative government sold it for a song so they could say they balanced the books for 1 year. It's now the most expensive toll route in the world.
Shit fucking sucks.
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Who is "they"? Traffic reducing measures are generally popular with people living in cities, but stopped by suburban NIMBYs who commute. Just because someone is driving a car doesn't automatically make them part of the problem.
Doug Ford and the PCs.
We've sure let a lot get out of hand in the pursuit of the american dream here in Canada.
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