ironically people in the west are the most brainwashed because western regimes dominate world's information space
It's not ironic at all. It's exactly what one would expect from the longest running and largest empire in the history of humanity.
china is only evil when you deal with them directly
if there is a suitably wealthy and white middle man like walmart, apple or amazon between you and the red menace, then it's just good old fashion murika apple pie freedom.
i suspect that this narrative has morphed from cointelpro-conspiracy-theory into cointelpro-brainwormed-people; but cointelpro was so successful that it's turned into a global maga-like cult that refuses to accept evidence that's available to them -- evidence that's literally created by the cointelpro people themselves btw -- simply because it's not spoonfed to them via their tv's or phones or wikpedia.
Maybe 15 years ago sure. But these days it's just the US openly being fascist
Yet here you are freely implying China good, with people agreeing with you safe from repercussions.
Maybe it's because I'm European but I literally don't see anything about China at all except when I see .ml posts (and I guess tankiejerk? again reacting to things).
Yeah same. European too, and the amount of
"China not bad! It's the Anti-China propaganda that is everywhere!"
that I see, is 50 times greater than any other mention. It feels like the counter-propaganda bots are stuck in 2018, trying too late to make up for the Uyghur situation.
Everyone who doesn't subscribe to the empire's absurd narratives about it's enemies is an inhuman robot only here to trick you, the main character
European
Uyghur situation.
And there we go, liberals already bringing up the propaganda of the UyGhUrS "genocide"
"Brother" you just literally made 20 pro-Russia and Pro-China posts in less than half an hour in a mix of different communities, and now that someone answered to you, you instantly popped another one. Tell your boss to be more patient with the schedule he's giving you, and pace the posts better, so it's less obvious.
So what's the propaganda here? Is there actually not a Uyghur "Situation" according to you? Or is the propaganda that the US and the west also do things like this? Because two wrongs don't make a right.
Cause right now I'm in the camp of they all do some truly fucked up shit.
Edit: gotta love the downvotes with no fucking explanation.
Western propaganda has been claiming the "situation" constitutes a genocide, with no real evidence to back it up.
One of the US's strategies to destabilize other countries is to back separatists and terrorists. It combines that with information warfare and usually economic warfare in hopes that the instability will open the door for a coup, where a compradore would be put in charge and then facilitate the extraction of resources from the country. This pattern has been replicated dozens of times in the last few decades.
China has been hit by multiple terrorist attacks as a result of this tactic, so it instituted deradicalization practices and jobs training for at-risk populations.
The Western propaganda industry used images from South America and claimed they were forced labor in China (with Spanish signs visible in the background). They used early image generation to fill out a registry of "missing" people, except a lot of the images still had artifacts from generation (if you remember thispersondoesnotexist, they were almost identical to that) until they got deleted. They relied almost exclusively, for a time, on citations from Adrien Zens, a man who cannot speak or read Mandarin and claims he is chosen by God to bring about the downfall of China.
China invited the UN to investigate. Dozens of countries investigated and found no evidence of genocide.
We've seen the kind of evidence that modern genocide produces due to Israel's actual genocide of Palestinians.
So some westerners have walked back their invention from "genocide" to "situation", while others continue to parrot the original disproven claims.
So it's not about trying to compare moral judgements, it's a skepticism of any claims coming from a proven, proudly genocidal empire about its targets.
Your sources both cite Zenz lmao
I don’t know what that means, sorry.
Then you have a surface level understanding on the topic and should read up on it before speaking up
I'll give you a good starting point: https://www.qiaocollective.com/education/xinjiang
Specifically Adrian Zens is born again Christian "on a mission from god to destroy China" because his sect got banned there. His genocide evidence is an interview of 8 Uyghurs and extrapolating to millions. Neither an unbiased nor good source..
Fucking incredible. Just straight up admitting you don't even bother to read the propaganda you gulp down
So you didn't even read my comment before replying with all that garbage?? Lol
There isn't systemic torture or sexual assault. The best and most comprehensive resource I have seen so far is Qiao Collective's Xinjiang: A Resource and Report Compilation. Qiao Collective is a group of Chinese diaspora living in the west, and they compiled an extremely comprehensive write-up of the entire background of the events, the timeline of reports, and real and fake claims. The majority of their sourcing is western, and they cite official Chinese government writing and white papers when relevant. Uyghur culture is preserved.
I also recommend reading the UN report as well as (especially) China's response to it, which eclipses it in size and detail.These are the most relevant accusations and responses without delving into straight up fantasy like Adrian Zenz, Christian nationalist and professional propagandist for the Victims of Communism Foundation, does. Zenz' work has been thoroughly discredited, yet is supported by western media for its utility in fearmongering. An example is lying about 8.7% of new IUDs as 80%, to back up claims of "forced sterilization," from this chart:
:order-of-lenin:
From the U.N. report:
Some also spoke of various forms of sexual violence, including some instances of rape, affecting mainly women. These accounts included having been forced by guards to perform oral sex in the context of an interrogation and various forms of sexual humiliation, including forced nudity. The accounts similarly described the way in which rapes took place outside the dormitories, in separate rooms without cameras. In addition, several women recounted being subject to invasive gynaecological examinations, including one woman who described this taking place in a group setting which “made old women ashamed and young girls cry”,168 because they did not understand what was happening. The Government has firmly denied these claims, often through personal or gendered attacks against the women who have publicly reported these allegations.
And sure, an obvious employee of the Chinese government is disputing these claims and providing their own biased sources of information. And I guess that's what Lemmy is. I think I'm out. I guess thanks for helping me to see the light here.
There was a terrorist situation, not an 'Uyghur' situation.
Western funded islamic terrorist funded by the west doing multiple terrorist attacks.
And that has been dealth with.
And yes China has jails too, OMG!
They must obviously be al horrible Guantanamos, you know, how the west deals with them.
Definitely believe that propaganda, especially from the deranged religious fanatic Zenz who invents all these things, and later gets parroted without scrutiny by the western mouthpieces.
Mao accidentally killed like 40 million people over sparrows. That one's isn't debated either it was well documented...
Mao has been dead for decades
And as a non-Westerner, if we are ranking leaders, I would like to mention Churchill and UK who killed more people with the Bengal famine.
The Madras famine, Travancore famine too.
Can't stand with zionazi liberals of the zionazi instances like .world, ShitJustFash, feddit.org and many others who support genocides
It's a sign of just how engrained ultra-nationalism is in western liberals that they don't even consider that people with different ideological beliefs are automatically on the same "side" as them just because of national alliance alignment.
It's not infighting because we aren't on the same side
I’m saying we are on the same side.
I know you're saying that, and I'm saying it shows how foundational nationalism is to your mindset that you think you can just declare it to be true even though I do not consider you on my side
Nazis and fascists are unilaterally not tolerated as far as I have seen.
I've seen Lemmy liberals tolerate them plenty so long as they're aligned with the democrats (who themselves are largely fascist) or against the Wests enemies.
We’ve got so much more in common than what divides us
Again, shows just how foundational nationalism is to you that you think you can just assert we have "so much more in common" just because we share a national affinity even though we have different values and ideologies.
but if this how some people on Lemmy want to spend their time, then I’m not going to stop them.
How magnanimous of you... I know liberals are used to being able to unilaterally shut down leftists in most spaces, but you don't actually have the power to do that here.
Every person in this thread who either responded or downvoted has assumed my points of view just because of my instance
Or we can just read your posts.
I don’t think that’s a smart way to try and grow an actually revolutionary new internet platform.
Good. We don't want to grow another Reddit
Same side but I'll repeat everything that the other side says about US enemies like a gospel.
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