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[-] GregorGizeh@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

Boomers say that because historically, with increasing age people usually also managed to have some things they might want to conserve, like a home and some financial assets to cover their retirement. I’m in my mid thirties and the only feasible way for me to ever own a home is inheriting one. My retirement plan is to die in the revolution. I have nothing to be conservative about

[-] enoilgat@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I’m in my 30s and fortunate to have a house, but as I age I become more liberal.

I grew up with conservative parents and mostly conservative extended family as well. It wasn’t until I was older and in college that I started to become liberal. Before that I considered myself a Libertarian because I hated the two-party system and didn’t identify closely with any other parties.

I can’t imagine anyone that isn’t in the the top 1% that considers themselves conservative unless it’s based purely on hate or ignorance.

[-] PugJesus@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Generally, what it used to be is that people got more liberal as they got older, but society became more liberal faster.

Nowadays, millennials are getting older and mostly keeping up with liberal trends because we have so little invested in the status quo to slow us down from changing with the times. Amongst other factors.

[-] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Basically, "people are selfish and will do what benefits them"

[-] MBM@lemmings.world 1 points 1 year ago

Which I'd say is a pretty right-wing sentiment

[-] lukini@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

There have also just been shifts in how us younger generations view the world, likely thanks to the internet. I'm in my 30s and own a house, but every year that goes by I seem to get more and more liberal. Partially thanks to how insane American conservatives are in many aspects, but also realizing that the views of the left are the only logical way forward.

[-] cyborganism@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

Finally bought my first home at 40 using all my life savings. Couldn't afford to have kids. I got no one to leave any heritage to. Fuck everything.

[-] Belgdore@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

I’m 31, I was most conservative in my teens when I was in a private Christian high school in the south. Then I went to college, worked at a jail, went to law school, and in the process learned about the world and the people in it.

I am still astonished at the people who have done similar things and still don’t have an ounce of compassion for the poor and struggling. Conservative values only make sense when your sense of self only encompasses you, your family, and your religion. Once you realize that you are a part of something bigger, and the gay Hindu man and the black Muslim woman has the same consciousness and feelings as you it’s a lot harder to think of them as enemies or pitiful souls who need to be saved.

When you realize that people are people, and we are all the same, but for our circumstances, then it’s impossible to be conservative.

[-] Smorty@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago

"private christian high school" That sounds really bad...

[-] TheSaneWriter@lemmy.thesanewriter.com 1 points 1 year ago

I think some people have trouble conceptualizing those around them as human. From what I can tell it's not intentional cruelty, at least at first, they just struggle to conceptualize and understand the idea that all of the people around them have just as dynamic and complex inner worlds as they do. When it's a struggle to make that connection, it's easy to go through life ignoring the plight of those around you, disregarding them with the same ease most people dismiss a warning on a computer.

[-] LucyLastic@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

I'm skeptical that many conservatives have dynamic and complex inner worlds ... I don't see much evidence that they think much about anything, but rather offload as much as possible onto others. My mother, as she gets older, appears to actively avoid thinking for herself and has begun the decline into right-wing thinking. She likes the Daily Mail to do her thinking for her.

[-] TheSaneWriter@lemmy.thesanewriter.com 1 points 1 year ago

I think that all people and many non-person animals have dynamic and complex inner worlds, but Conservatives definitely have a blind spot when it comes to political evaluation. Unfortunately, it's our nature as our species to seek out shortcuts. One of the ways we do this is by finding trusted sources to do some level of evaluation for us, that way we don't have to think about as much. With Conservatives, many of them learned to trust certain sources from their parents, religion, or their own misguided fear. These sources are conspiratorial and hate-mongering, and they usually don't apply any critical analysis to them. This leads to a self-perpetuating cycle where their sources tell them to trust no one and to be hateful and from that they don't pick up any new sources, causing them to enter an echo chamber they can't escape. It's honestly kinda sad and I somewhat pity them, but I still will do what it takes to defeat them politically.

[-] NielsBohron@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

As someone formerly in the same boat, I think belief in the Abrahamic religions makes it hard to identify with the plights of others, because if you believe in a just, loving god, then "those people" have the religion and hardships that they do for a reason (and the reason is usually either "it's part of God's plan" or "they made bad decisions").

When you base your entire worldview on a faulty premise, you can use sound logic to get all the way to libertarianism without a problem. Once I reexamined and discarded my belief in the Christian god, it was like flipping a switch; I went from douchey religious Libertarian to bleeding-heart socialist almost literally overnight.

[-] TheSaneWriter@lemmy.thesanewriter.com 1 points 1 year ago

Indeed. That's one of my biggest problems with religion and why it makes me uncomfortable even though I ostensibly believe that people have their right to spirituality. Ultimately, with spiritual premises, people can come to faulty or unpredictable conclusions even with sound logic, and that somewhat unnerves me.

[-] stringere@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

My favorite part of Libertarianism is that Saint Rand collected Social Security.

It exemplifies the shameless selfishness of the libertarian philosophy and really links well with the conservative mindset of "I got mine, fuck you".

[-] sweetviolentblush@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

I agree, and I honestly think its the push for individualism over community that causes people to unknowingly become solipsistic like this. I think a lot of people don't even realize how much trouble they have conceptualizing those around them as human, let alone having empathy for them

[-] TheSaneWriter@lemmy.thesanewriter.com 1 points 1 year ago

That definitely doesn't help. In an atomized society there are fewer incentives to work with other people which causes people to either not develop proper social skills or to develop malformed ones.