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President Joe Biden on Friday ordered a historic change to the Uniform Code of Military Justice by transferring key decision-making authorities outside the military chain of command in cases of sexual assault, domestic violence, child abuse, murder and other serious crimes.

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[-] dojan@lemmy.world 147 points 1 year ago

It was in the chain of command before? Wow gee I wonder how that could possibly go wrong!

[-] PlantJam@lemmy.world 47 points 1 year ago

Just to spell it out:

Promotions are based on performance. After a few promotions, you have people that report to you. This means their performance is your performance. So the CoC properly handling rape allegations is against their own self interest.

There's a documentary called the invisible war that covers this topic in excruciating detail.

[-] foggy@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago

Did I rape my subordinates?

Let me check...

Nope, I found no wrongdoing.

Here that, gang? Now stay in line.

[-] Saneless@lemmy.world 89 points 1 year ago

Ahh good. The Catholic Church model of reporting and punishment doesn't work so well

[-] irkli@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Works well for the church though ....

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

I heard Pope Francis was changing that, cause yeaaaah...

Having it reported through Confession which by doctrine cannot be shared or punished, not really working out for anyone.

[-] BadRS@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Works out great for the rapists

[-] mrbubblesort@kbin.social 64 points 1 year ago

oh oh!!! now to the police next please!

[-] Lenins2ndCat@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

Time for the floodgates to open.

[-] Bluehood380@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

Till the next repub pres ovrrturns this?

Regardless, hope this sticks.

[-] mayo@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Maybe. But all the reversals are politically motivated so depends how much their base will get hard on reversing it. I'm sure there are other juicier targets for them to get through first. Unless it's Trump. Trump seems to be more interested in the appearance of money and power.

[-] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 year ago

Can someone explain the change to me? I do not understand how it was done before, why that was bad, and how this is different and better. (Things I probably would have included in the article, had I written it)

[-] Chetzemoka@kbin.social 62 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Historically, these investigations have been handled by the higher-ups in the chain of command. Say one soldier raped another and the victim reported it. Their mutual boss and that boss's bosses would be responsible for any investigation and discipline.

They have the same negative incentive to provide thorough investigation and justice as college campus police do - because in the end it makes them look bad at their jobs and makes the institution that signs their paychecks look bad. So they just don't. Often victims are ignored or worse, disciplined themselves.

This change will provide a third party not involved in the chain of command for reporting and investigation of sexual assault allegations.

[-] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago

Ok that definitely gives me some context. Thanks!

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[-] BCat70@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

Adding to @Chetzemoka@kbin.social comment: The military has a peculiar concept for responsibility in command, such that a senior officer or even NCO could have thier career totally ruined for investigating a rape. Not for other crimes, mind you, but some arcane language held that they could be held culpable for not having prevented the attack. Biden has rather firmly corrected that error.

[-] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

Good addendum, I appreciate it!

[-] JTode@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

I gotta say, I had zero expectation of anything from Biden, but he has definitely delivered a few pretty good somethings, and this looks like another one. I hope they have a great day today wherever the Bidens are hanging out.

[-] mayo@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

I need some good news today and this was it. Solid work. And quick too.

[-] Blamemeta@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Kinda surprised it took this long.

[-] Historical_General@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

I've heard it said that women in the military get assaulted so often they're basically the state's own unwilling prostitutes.

[-] Nacktmull@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

If this only affects prosecution of crimes inside of the military that is already a great step but what I really wonder about is if it will also affect prosecution of war crimes committed by US military. Could someone elaborate please?

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