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A distribution for the systemd haters around here. (sh.itjust.works)
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[-] Deckweiss@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago

I exhaled from my nose, but at the end this joke doesn't seem fair.

I've been running Artix for years, because I wanted to try it out for fun and now am too lazy to switch, cause most things just work. I update weekly just fine and sometimes I have to write an init file for openrc.

The biggest pain point was when I was trying to debug an issue which crashed KDE and realised that there is no journalctl ofc.

[-] Oisteink@feddit.nl 10 points 2 years ago

Like with most technology, init should be based on use-case.

Some setups are not made for quick reboots and that’s ok. When all your container does is run ddclient you might find that even cron can work just as well as systemd.timers

[-] Deckweiss@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

For me, even using Linux at all is more of a philosophical decision than a practical one.

As long as the tradeoff is not too big, I'd rather use what follows my values over going by pure meritocracy.

[-] Roshakk@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Same for me, missing on some debugging advice on the internet but for the most part is fine!

[-] Downcount@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago

I'm not a linux power user but have some servers running on linux and honestly wouldn't change it with anything else, as everything runs smooth and maintainance is easy and straight forward. Even if something gets fucked there is a great online community which helped me out everytime.

That said, and sorry for the long introduction:

I read a lot systemd memes in the last weeks: What is the problem with it and why is it trending now?

[-] davad@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago

Nothing new. Nothing recent. Just people being scared of something because they don't know how it works or because it's relatively new.

Major distros have started adopting it in recent years. It's one of many ways for a distro to manage which services are running. Many of the others are essentially a hodgepodge of shell scripts.

systemd provides a lot of flexibility with service dependencies and logging, amount other things. It has a standard way to have user-scoped services. It's standardizes filtering logs for specific services.

[-] baelem@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Barely recent years at this point, Ubuntu switched in 2015!

[-] Vilian@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 years ago

basicly people complaining about what they don't understand, that it don't follow unix philosophy, when that philosophy was created 50 years ago, any way,etc, if systemd wasn't good anyone could have adopted it, and everyone did, beause it easier, it's faster and it work

https://youtu.be/o_AIw9bGogo?si=83QbNSQgG646M98_

good video about it

[-] DrGunjah@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

I'm neither a systemd fan nor a hater, but in my experience not even enterprise linux distributors can get it to work correctly all the time. That tells me that maybe it is too complicated.

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[-] netburnr@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

Sysinit was basically one file where you tell a process what to do, start, reload, stop. Systems is way way more complicated and according to some, prone to breaking.

[-] flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago

It's funny, after your first sentence, I thought “yeah, that's exactly the problem. Copy&paste fragile shell code for managing processes instead of standardized lifecycle management”. Then your second sentence painted that horrible mess as “less complicated”

[-] Downcount@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Thanks, and understood. Do you also know why this topic is trending right now? Systemd isn't some brand new thing, so why the sudden outcry?

[-] netburnr@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

It's been hated since day 1, perhaps only now are you starting to see and understand what people say about it.

[-] Downcount@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

That could be it.

[-] RattlerSix@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

I feel like this is a Slackware joke

[-] bhamlin@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Nah, if it were slackware there'd be more Bob.

[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 years ago

Tmux over gnu screen? Too progressive for me!

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

I was really hoping this would be American Sign Language linux. All you’d need to do is develop a writing system with hand shape, face shape, location, and motion characters then build an entire operating system around it…

[-] topinambour_rex@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Don't forget the different syntax. When, where, actions.

[-] nevemsenki@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It's all fun and games until you can't even reboot cleanly because systemd isn't responding...

[-] alex_02@fedia.io 2 points 2 years ago

Idk what you did, but I never had a problem where systemd isn't responding, and I've been running Linux since I was a teenager.

[-] MajorHavoc@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

Shoot, if running a ceremonial kshell script every Friday evening makes me a ludite, I'll be shouting angrily at the cloud any day now.

/s, obviously, beacuse I already yell angrily at the cloud.

[-] Steamymoomilk@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago

Office suite "vim and mutt" Every thing else is bloat.

[-] lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 2 years ago

Joke's on them, I use emacs as an OS.

I need to edit text files over SSH tho, haven't been able to find a good text editor...

[-] aberrate_junior_beatnik@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Gotta admit, I'm impressed. You've actually made me want to defend the anti-systemd crowd. Just take the W, you don't have to rub it in.

[-] satans_crackpipe@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Keep your hands off my network-scripts

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