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And just like that, any shutdown is no longer the fault of Republicans being unable to control their own caucus.
We're expected to vote with Republicans, but never the other way around.
Democratic support will be crucial, because a number of conservative Republicans are already vowing to oppose the measure to protest the absence of sharp spending cuts — a number large enough to sink the bill without help from across the aisle.
Some of the proposals include:
- Making discrimination based on abortion care from a company legal
- Removal of funds from the IRS, which help reduce the deficit.
- Removal of FBI funds
- Medicare spending cuts
- Funding for Israel
Things that are not included on that list:
- Reducing gas prices
- Reducing food prices
- Reducing housing prices
- Reducing student debt
- Global warming protections
Just in case anyone was wondering if the Republican party is trying to help the American people.
The more desperate Americans are the easier it is for republican donors to exploit us. Sic semper tyrannis.
I don't really see another option, unfortunately — the alternative is just going to be a shutdown, given Republicans don't know what compromise is. And lots of people will suffer if one happens, likely for no material gain.
Let's pretend a shutdown happens, followed by, "Democrats present bill to fund the government. Republicans reject it!"
I get that this is people's lives we're talking about, but Republicans are trying to present it like, "See? Look what you make me do!" They're abusers, and they should have to own what they're doing to people's lives. It should not be Democrats' responsibility to always bail them out.
Yeah if they want democratic support they should present something that democrats want to support. This whole bullshit of “well if you don’t suck it up now the government shuts down” is just emboldening them every time it works. And remember they’ll tell their constituents that the government only shuts down when democrats are in charge.
Democrats do want to support this bill. It is a clean CR, which is what they've called for repeatedly.
It is unconventional because it has two deadlines instead of one, but that does not significantly conflict with the goals of Democrats.
Ok I had been under the impression that it was another of the “we slash the budget in exchange to buy time so we can agree to slash the budget”
I agree! But they've shown repeatedly that they're unwilling to compromise, and the American people have shown that they don't care that much about Republican unwillingness to compromise at least with the Democrats (remains to be seen about the Speaker fiasco). Given that, it's better to keep things running and keep people paid.
I agree! But they've shown repeatedly that they're unwilling to compromise, and the American people have shown that they don't care that much about Republican unwillingness to compromise...
I submit to you, that's because Democrats have a habit of bailing them out "for the good of the people." But what if the best thing is to stop bailing them out? Americans have gotten complacent relying on the remaining adults in the room, and too many think the Republicans are still a functional party. Republicans, just as easily as Democrats, can stop this madness by compromising, instead of trying to tie extremist policies to the spending bills.
There's been shutdowns before. It's not really leverage when so much is on the line.
That being said, I don't know, maybe you're right. But I'd rather people not lose their jobs due to political wrangling.
Same. But it's mainly Republicans that are instigating the problem by putting forth these ideologically-tainted budgets and candidates they know have no chance.
So I guess they forgot about clause 4 of the 14th amendment and are prepared to yet again aid and abet Republicans in committing social murder?
A great reminder that the lesser evil is still evil.
House Freedom Caucus came out against funding the government without cuts, so Democrats are needed to pass the CR.
Now the question is whether the Freedom Caucus will lose out on their other demand of the laddered CR.
So sad too bad. If they had just left them to rot on this, then the Shutdown would be the Republicans fault.
But now they've played them. They will change the bill to be unacceptable to Democrats after this statement. And naturally the Democrats will deny it, and the Republicans will cry wolf and point and scream. And publicly it will appear as though it is all the Democrat's fault.
Next year is an election year. The Republicans know this. They will kick up and hoard as much dirt on Democrats as they possibly can.
It's pretty easy to explain to voters that the Democrats are on board for a CR with no cuts, despite the laddered structure, and if the bill is changed after that then they might not be on board for whatever change.
No swing voter is going to be fooled by the actions described in your middle paragraph, which is why it won't happen.
And your last point...of course Republicans will TRY to make Democrats take tough votes, but funding the government 100% IS the popular position. Republicans changing things to push the bill further right makes it a difficult vote for Republicans.
They are kicking the can down the road. Sections of the government will shut down in January with the rest in February.
Yeah, that's kinda the whole point of a continuing resolution. More time to attempt to find some longer term compromise. Maybe this time without the house paralyzed for weeks with that Speaker circus sideshow.
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