What is Hamas' current charter or policy documents it relies on in terms of its own hegemony (if any at all) (lemmy.world)

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I've read that there were updated documentstgat differ fundamentally from that which is bein presented by the public (Hamas wants Israel/Jews destroyed wholesale.

How does Hamas feel about Israel and how do they feel about Jewish folks in general?

Is there anything to work with or from here? It does not help they have a far-right political orientation in terms of governance currently, thats clearly an obstacle a priori for negotiation and reasonable discourse

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[-] Therealgoodjanet@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

How Hamas feels about Zionism/Israel:

The Zionist project is a racist, aggressive, colonial and expansionist project based on seizing the properties of others; it is hostile to the Palestinian people and to their aspiration for freedom, liberation, return and self-determination. The Israeli entity is the plaything of the Zionist project and its base of aggression.

How Hamas feels about Jewish people:

Hamas affirms that its conflict is with the Zionist project not with the Jews because of their religion. Hamas does not wage a struggle against the Jews because they are Jewish but wages a struggle against the Zionists who occupy Palestine. Yet, it is the Zionists who constantly identify Judaism and the Jews with their own colonial project and illegal entity.

There’s a bit more, it isn’t too long, you can find it here: https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/hamas-2017-document-full

[-] teichflamme@lemm.ee -3 points 10 months ago

Who is more believable than actual terrorists?

We've seen in their recent attacks that they do very much differentiate between Zionists and normal people before they kill them. Oh, wait...

[-] Therealgoodjanet@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

I’m just quoting from their charter…

[-] teichflamme@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago

I'm just saying it's obviously not how they feel about it, but rather what they like gullible people to believe.

To put your quote into context.

[-] KermitLeFrog@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Tl;Dr of history of israel-palestine conflict:

Britain colonizes Palestine and makes it Israel

Israel recognizes this as kinda bullshit and willingly offers basically half the land to existing Palestinians and also offers full citizenship to any Palestinian who wishes to remain in what is now Israel.

Palestine refuses the deal, declares war on Israel

Israel kicks their ass, again offers a deal with less land

Palestine again says no, basically a cold war begins

Other Arab countries refuse to allow Palestinians to move there, also declare war on Israel and get their asses kicked

Terrorists begin attacking Israel from Palestine, especially from the West Bank

Those terrorists are elected to run Palestine in a free and fair election

Israel begins committing human rights violations against Palestinians

We've now been at this last stage for at least two decades, possibly longer but I can't be bothered to fact check myself on the exact dates right now. And yes, this is absolutely as short as the TL;DR on this situation can get, I'm 100000% sure both sides will get upset about details I left out even in this longer story.

[-] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

What do you think should be done with consideration to RealPolitiks™️

[-] KermitLeFrog@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

The only reason anyone cares is because of post WW2 guilt and oil interests. There are other places on earth in nearly the exact same situation (two unsupportable regimes both claiming sovereignty over the same region and committing war crimes against each other) and no one cares about them, let alone even knowing what places I'm talking about, simply because there's no oil involved. The answer is fundamentally the same as when you're walking down the street and see two drunk guys hitting each other. You ignore them and keep walking. Some people just want to do bad things and there's not really anything you can do to stop them. By getting involved you inherently are forced to choose sides and now are supporting someone who doesn't deserve to be supported.

[-] arirr@lemmy.kde.social 4 points 10 months ago

I'm definitely skeptical of anything "moderate" that they claim to now operate on. Their actions, especially on October 7th illustrated what their actual ideology is. They even still have foreign workers who are entirely uninvolved hostage.

[-] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

This video does a good job of covering the basics of the current situation.

https://youtu.be/pJ9PKQbkJv8?si=NGZHKAS7jvEmOR50

[-] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Its always about the documents. Its weird how , as a child, I couldn't have given a shit about documents if my life depended on them and now like my life depends on them!

Edit: documents is a funny word. Documents Documents Documents. Say documents 500x fast!

[-] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I mean on the Israeli side but I feel like that applies equally to Hamas, if that makes sense. What's that corrollary expression about opposites attract (similars repel)...

[-] burchalka@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Quote from https://www.memri.org/tv/Zionists-attack-civilians-stopped-october-seven-legitimate-right-liberate-pay-price

Hamas Official Ayman Shanaa: The Zionists Are Carrying Out A 'Blatant Attack On Civilians' – They Must Be Stopped; On October 7 We Exercised Our 'Legitimate Right' To Liberate Our Land And We Are Willing To Pay The Price

[-] NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world -2 points 10 months ago

charter or policy documents

Get real. They aren't american lawyers.

[-] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

But they must have some text or document that they keep all the main ideas/roadmap on, no?

[-] NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago

Have you ever heard about cultural differences?

[-] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

So they have no understanding of the notion of there being a larger "God's plan" that they're not just always wholsale pulling out of their asses?

If Israel offered wat "they" wanted, could they ever practically accept it.

I know it sounds absurd but I was beyond fucked up when I learned that the Taliban is like a far more mundanely violent version of The Office. I swear to Allah, the piece lamented that their lives were boring and bureaucratic and they hated the responsibility that comes with being the G's earthly enforcer/coordinator but the sense I got was that they had to glumly accept it. This is what they fought for !/s

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