I had someone steel this and change “butts” to “Christian” and weirdly enough, lengthen my skirt. Kept the flame boots, but no short skirts.
Too many people would change their minds based on what the sign says.
Does you reaction change if the sign read: "Black Lives Matter" or if it read "Back the Blue"?
Or one that says "Trans women are women" vs "trans women aren't women"?
Or "pineapple on pizza is ok" vs "pinapple on pizza is the work of the devil"?
We must not be tolerant to intolerance is the basis for me.
Tolerance is not a moral precept, it's a peace treaty
Fantastic read on this. Reader view worked for me.
Thank you for that. Really informative and a fun read.
Honestly, the first thing that I thought about was what if the sign had a slur word. Sure freedom of speech means say what you wanna say, that doesn't mean people aren't gonna sock you in the face.
The problem with free speech is probs that what people are really fighting over is who gets to control and define what "free" speech is. Only in an anarchist society would free speech really be as you described - say what you want, but be prepared to face the consequences of your words (and actions). Without the protection of government and socio/economic hierarchies, bigots wouldn't feel quite as invincible while they spew hate and oppression.
free speech ≠ hate speech
Everyone is allowed to have an opinion but if your opinion involves being a dick to certain people, keep it for yourselves.
In the comic above, no certain group is targeted so there's no reason to be offended.
I think I’m still of the mind that “intent to incite violence” is the line. And even that can be crossed when the government needs to be overthrown.
But I could be convinced otherwise
Violence is extremely useful and will be the only tool you have left if you want to stop climate change or protect yourself+your social network from the effects of capitalism.
I think climate change is beyond the point of violence. The number of people, corporations, and equipment involved in the production and consumption of fossil fuels is beyond what non-military action could take on. Not to mention you have to get people to filter between useful petrochemical products (medical supplies) and problematic ones (god damned plastic bags, mylar balloons, fuckin solo cups) and not just arson us back to the stone-age.
Things are gonna suck for a long time before they get better.
You're going to get violence anyway you want it to go down.
Ideally political leaders will get the cocks out of their asses and realize that their children and grand-children WILL suffer through the most unusual chapter in human history. For sure it wont be the what most people go through but there will be a noticeable reduction the the quality of life for everyone.
Political leaders, especially in the anglosphere, have no interests beyond self-enrichment.
what year is this, 2015?
Let's replace the word with "N*****" and see if you still feel clever
The point still stands, in the minutiae you're addressing. People post absolute garbage opinions on a regular basis, and are free to do so, as long as their platform allows it. This doesn't go into the consequences of pissing off a lot of people, but you're still free to do it.
The point does not stand. I don't think any set of rules that sees "N***** N***** N*****" as acceptable speech should be respected, nor any person who thinks that way.
I agree with the spirit, but I disagree with what the point of the comic is - it's not trying to make a point about respect per se, just about freedom of speech. Even if you wouldn't be a part of a community that allows hate speech, if you encounter it "in the street" so to speak - there's just nothing you can do.
I know it's saying that, and I think that's bullshit.
Let's replace some of the words in your comment to "I am a pooopoo head and I eat poopoo", and see how do you feel then. Bet pretty stupid, huh?
You can't see the difference between "butts" and the n word?
hey, its freedom to offend, right ?
Hate speech and offensive speech are very different lol
where do u draw the line?
(genuine question ,, not advocating hate speech)
Hate speech is a call to attack some people.
It may sometimes sound like "just offensive", since it often uses offensive code words to coordinate an attack.
The point is, this argument doesn't hold up.
The argument isn't about racial slurs.
I'm gonna need you to engage in just a little more abstract thinking for me. I'm not talking about racism either.
Let's try another thing instead: "Got hates fags"
How about: "Jews did 9/11"
It's pretty easy to say "free speech! I can say whatever I like!! I'm not responsible for your hurt feelings!" without any nuance, but speech is a bit more complicated than that.
Real life footage of this actually happening, and the result: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8DJGw3rIwI