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I expect Jimmy will be right behind her, he probably only stuck around this long so she wouldn’t have to be alone
I remember reading a paper about how the death of your spouse raises the probability of death by 30%, but it goes back to normal after 6 months.
I knew a girl whose father died a week after her mother's body was found (they don't know how long her mother had been dead, but at least a week) and they were divorced. But he never gave up hope until she died. And this was in high school. Imagine losing both of your parents within a week and you're still a teenager.
Thankfully, she turned out okay.
On one side my grandfather died roughly 6 months after my grandmother died. On the other side my grandmother outlived my grandfather by 33 years and counting.
How old was each one when their partner died? Getting a 30% rise on probability of death at 50 is not the same as at 80.
Any potential link to that article? I don't disbelieve you, I just want to be able to discuss the information in the future with confidence.
I learned it in Hassan Zadeh A. and Amirhashchi S., "Modelling Joint Lifetimes of Couples by Using Bivariate Phase-type Distributions", that paper should be easily to find in Arvix. The referenced paper, "Young, the mortality of widowers 1963, Lancet", it's pretty hard to find but I got my university to pay for a copy for me, if you DM me your email I can send you a copy.
That's a very kind offer, but based off the title alone, I don't think I'd be able to understand anything beyond the abstract.
What's the causal factor for the increased mortality rate? I hear it's "a broken heart" but that isn't really a medical diagnosis.
They're statistics and actuarial sciences papers, not medical ones. They are not bussy looking for the underlining reasons of why that happens, bit how can be measured to make better models.
It is called "broken heart syndrome".
"Broken heart syndrome is a condition that can cause rapid and reversive heart muscle weakness, also known as stress cardiomyopathy.
What causes broken heart syndrome? Two kinds of stress — emotional or physical — often cause broken heart syndrome. But while most people with this condition experience a stressful event, up to 30% of patients have no identifiable trigger at the time of their initial symptoms.
Emotional Stressors Emotional stressors include:
-Grief
-Fear
-Extreme anger
-Surprise
This will be very expected.
Not long after Ronald Reagan, with enormous help from the Christian Right, won the election against Jimmy Carter, Barbara Walters asked Rosalynn Carter what it would do to the country.
"I think the President makes us comfortable with our prejudices," she said. How prescient.
Man what a solid gold reply from her.
It's both self acknowledging (as her husband had been a president)
And it's cutting (suggesting Reagan surfaced new prejudices)
All without being obviously rude
I argue that kind of timidity only enabled the right wing to get worse and only continues to make our problems worse.
There's a big difference between being polite but clever, and being timid
Statements like that in a modern context clearly are extremely timid. We don't need people giving subtle insults to make themselves sound smart. We need people openly, honestly and directly calling out the fascism and possible genocide and treating it for what it is.
This is not about her or looking better. This is about the future of the country and in a very real way, humanity. It's bigger than a battle of egos.
Lost in the sauce.
This was from a different era by someone with different goals.
You are missing the point of the interaction this occurred in.
That particular user seems to spend a lot of time confused.
I'm looking at it from a modern, or rather post modern, context where it's really fucking obvious that this was the beginning of the rise of the fascist right in the U.S.
We're a year, two years at most, away from a civil war. This is not the time to circlejerk over petty thinly disguised insults. Her doing that in no way benefitted anyone back then or anyone now.
In fact, it's makes the problem worse by letting the Democrats feel like they've won something while the right entrenches more political power and preps to commit mass murder on a scale that will leave a dark mark on human history.
You'd take the situation more seriously if you gave a shit, but you clearly don't.
I "give a shit" just fine but this isn't a modern comment, and to speak as you wish she would have would be completely inappropriate for her in that moment. She was sufficiently cutting, for those with the intelligence to recognize it.
I'm done here cya.
I am not a US citizen, nor do I know about how Carter's poltical carreer is seen in the US, but both Jimmy and his wife both seem like decent humans.
I am sure that this comment will open the floodgates and tell me I'm wrong, but for the moment, that is my oppinion.
Nah Carter’s the uncontroversial ex president. Evangelical Christian who didn’t push his religion on others except in two ways: taking care of the less fortunate and promoting peace. He fucked up sometimes sure, but he retired from the presidency to build houses for the homeless.
Even more so, he left the organization he evangelized with on a principled equality basis.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=95311&page=1
This is against a backdrop of church splits on other equality issues https://theweek.com/religion/1019544/the-widening-schism-in-the-united-methodist-church
How is that christianity
/s for legal purposes
Pretty sure they are actually good people. As far as I know (also not an American here) they are widely considered the only actually, unequivocally good people to ever have the presidentship. They weren’t very popular in their time, but that is more an issue of being a progressive in a world of baby boomers.
They dared to say that in the face of a collapsing economy that people should consume less.
Jimmy Carter: “If you’re cold, wear a sweater.”
Americans: “Fuck that guy.”
My dad always said Jimmy Carter was too good a man to be president.
Still is
Carter is seen by history as a weak president, but his post-presidential career has been absolutely amazing. He's one of the best people to have graced the world with his presence.
I wonder actually if Carter was perhaps the only US president in the past century or so that was actually a decent person? Most others that come to mind were pretty awful as people. I'm not American, so I haven't studied literally all the president's or that closely (there's some very forgettable ones).
My favorite Jimmy Carter fact is that Adm. Rickover sent Carter to lead a team helping Canada recover from the Chalk River meltdown.
Oh no. I suspect Jimmy won't be long then, since such close couples frequently die close to each other, as they are each other's support.
RIP Mrs. Carter.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
She was widely regarded for her political shrewdness, drawing particular praise for her keen electoral instincts, down-to-earth appeal, and work on behalf of the White House, including serving as an envoy to Latin America.
Their four children were each born in different states: John William in Virginia, James Earl III in Hawaii, Donnel Jeffrey in Connecticut, and Amy Lynn — their only daughter — in Georgia.
“Rosalynn Carter will not be simply an East Wing ornament, a First Lady content to redecorate the White House or preside over soirees,” Newsweek’s Jane Whitmore wrote in January 1977.
She joined Cabinet meetings, attended key briefings, spoke on behalf of the White House at ceremonial gatherings, served as an honorary member on a mental health commission, and traveled to Latin American nations as the president’s personal envoy.
Jimmy Carter’s presidency itself was judged to be a mixed bag, and many Americans — including some Democrats — believed that he was an ineffective commander in chief, particularly as the Iranian hostage crisis dominated headlines in late 1979.
Rosalynn worked tirelessly in the bid to re-elect her husband to a second term in 1980 — a campaign Jimmy lost to Ronald Reagan, a former Hollywood star and governor of California who represented the ascendant conservative movement.
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