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submitted 11 months ago by ALostInquirer@lemm.ee to c/asklemmy@lemmy.world

It seems like there's a lot of ways to go about this that may be overkill, so I'm curious which may avoid that.

Low maintenance in this context is aiming for moderate technical knowledge/setup, lower cost, and portability in case you need to migrate your site and so minimal hassle in that process.

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[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 40 points 11 months ago

Plain-ass HTML with nothing but text.

[-] Valmond@lemmy.mindoki.com 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Went down that road

Edit: I know how to put a link and a description, it's square brackets and parentheses, plus the link and the text. It's always the eight try that's the right one.

[-] kalkulat@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

Text's good. But I like a good, carefully-chosen image now and then. Sets the mood, illustrates some aspect of the topic, adds some flavor.

[-] stoy@lemmy.zip 4 points 11 months ago

Yep, I mainly used Deviantart as a quick way to move photos from home to external computers to quickly show them to others.

I have used Deviantart for 20 years or so, but this year, I got pissed off for the last time, it is just so slow, it takes ages to browse a gallery.

So I spent a few days building a menu in HTML and CSS that has a few simple effects, and importantly is easy to update, I then uploaded that to a personal webhost, and started creating HTML galleries with digiKam, uploading them there, and updating the menu.

I want to preserve my privacy, so I won't link the site here, but if others are interested, I should be able to share the code of the menu system.

[-] Chickenstalker@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago
[-] stoy@lemmy.zip 0 points 11 months ago

I doubt that I could have built a menu like I did in Geocities or even in CSS at that time.

[-] liv@lemmy.nz 3 points 11 months ago

This and put it on neocities.

[-] reversebananimals@lemmy.world 26 points 11 months ago

My answer assumes:

  1. "personal website" means you want a blog with a few static pages
  2. "moderate technical knowledge" means you know how to use a CLI and write some basic JS/CSS.

For this use case, I highly recommend a static site generator framework like Hugo.

Make a repository on GitHub for your Hugo website, and set up your content as markdown files inside the repository.

Then, hook your Hugo website's repository up to a managed static site hosting solution like AWS Amplify or GitHub Pages. Finally, set up your website's domain name and you're done.

Once these pieces are set up your authoring workflow is:

  1. Open your Hugo website locally from a local copy of the Git repo and edit the markdown files to change the content of your site
  2. Once you're happy, commit the result
  3. Amplify / Github pages will automatically pick up the change and redeploy your site with the new content

And that's it. There's no servers to maintain, so the only upgrade you have to do is keep Hugo and any dependencies up to date within your repo.

[-] ABasilPlant@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

I've been using Hugo since 2017. I recommend it wholeheartedly.

[-] ALostInquirer@lemm.ee 3 points 11 months ago

Thanks, the assumptions are about where I was aiming so this addresses the question pretty well I think.

An added question that this and other comments bring to mind though is, and this is admittedly a super basic question (which I've gone back & forth over asking in NoStupidQuestions tbh), but besides a cleaner and exclusive URL, why might someone go after a domain for a personal site, as in related to them individually?

[-] Routhinator@startrek.website 3 points 11 months ago

Brand recognition if you're in the market for a job relevant to the contents of your site or if you plan to run a blog.

Otherwise custom domain is really just vanity.

[-] reversebananimals@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

If you don't have SOME domain name, then people can only visit your site with an IP address.

Additionally, you pretty much have to have a domain name if you want HTTPS encryption - if you don't have an HTTPS certificate, people's browsers will show lots of scary warning indicators on your page.

But if you're asking about buying your own domain name (firstname-lastname.com) vs. using a subdomain from your hosting provider (myblog.wordpress.com) then it comes down to preference. Having your own domain will make you look more professional and get you more clicks on average.

[-] ALostInquirer@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago

But if you’re asking about buying your own domain name (firstname-lastname.com) vs. using a subdomain from your hosting provider (myblog.wordpress.com) then it comes down to preference. Having your own domain will make you look more professional and get you more clicks on average.

Mainly the latter, and you cover the reasons for that, so appreciate it! For a more casual approach (and according to one's preferences), it sounds like you'd be alright to stick with the subdomain-from-host approach, which is how I was leaning but I wasn't sure if there might be more to it than that within the more managed hosting space.

[-] reversebananimals@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

If a subdomain from a hosting provider works for your use case, then there's nothing wrong with that.

I have 10 years of experience making websites for a living for huge tech companies, and even then I still use ec2-[hash].compute-1.amazonaws.com as the domain name for a gaming website I run for just my friends.

If you don't care about professionalism or SEO then its fine.

[-] Zoidberg@lemm.ee 16 points 11 months ago

Hugo as a static page generator. GitHub pages for free hosting.

[-] NOOBMASTER@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 months ago

Is it free because of ads or something?

[-] reversebananimals@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Its free because the files are already public via GitHub, so it doesn't cost GithHub much extra money to run.

Anyone can go to a public GitHub repo and see the files, right? So if the GitHub Pages website's files are in a public repo, all GitHub has to do is slap a domain name in front of those files.

[-] treechicken@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago

Using Jekyll for static site generation and throwing it on GitHub Pages is what I've been doing for a few years.

Netlify is a nice alternative to GH Pages for hosting. Cloudflare Pages also exists but never tried it before.

[-] bitwolf@lemmy.one 10 points 11 months ago

Definitely Jekyll or Hugo on GitHub pages.

I use Ghost CMS because I wanted an easier mobile editing experience, it is also very low maintenance in its container form.

[-] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 9 points 11 months ago

Depends™

If I don't expect many changes I would do a simple HTML page. Maybe with PHP to include the layouts on multiple sites.

If I or a relative should be able to edit it now and then I would use WordPress without any plugins. Set it to auto-update and call it a day.

[-] rhythmisaprancer@kbin.social 8 points 11 months ago

This won't be helpful, but reading this thread makes me think about my angelfire website from, idk, 1998? I had that and a HTML 4.0 bible. Good times. Deleted times 😑

I read that the fediverse equivalent to bandcamp is using a webring, maybe there is or will be a fediverse hosting ecosystem?

[-] them@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

Really depends what you want to create but there's nothing wrong with just writing html and css. They're as portable as you can get.

If you're planning to do a lot of editing/posting then a static site genarator would be the next best thing as again you just end up with html and css which can be hosted anywhere. The generator can run on your system. Most are powered by markdown files so the content can (with little work) be migrated to another generator.

Beyond this you're starting to get in to cms or other complex systems which i think is out of the scope of your question.

[-] mr_tyler_durden@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

Wordpress. Or some other hosted blog/cms.

Yes you can go crazy with SSGs or write your own site but especially if it’s rare that you will blog/update then it’s way better to just use something off the shelf. That’s what I’d do as a software developer. Heck I paid for a static site with a simple web UI to update it just last week to serve as the marketing site for my software product (that I wrote from scratch).

Unless you enjoy tinkering and know programming I would shy away from the SSGs. I used them for years and now I self-host Ghost and even that I’m considering just paying someone else to do since it’s not how I want to spend my time (maintaining it).

[-] nomecks@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

You can enable static website hosting on an AWS S3 bucket as long as it's a simple page. At that point it's paid for by the click, if you get enough visits to exceed the free tier.

[-] HeartyOfGlass@lemm.ee 5 points 11 months ago

Depends on what you need it to do. If you’re looking for something simple for text / minimal images, I'd recommend looking into Static Site Generators like Hugo and using something like GitHub Pages to host.

SSGs are fairly low-maintenance once the set up is out of the way.

[-] owenfromcanada@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

I'll add a quick point that might not be obvious. There are actually three things you'll need to consider: a domain name, hosting, and your content.

TL;DR: for a simple blog-ish site, I would recommend DreamHost shared starter plan (USD$84 per year after promotions end, includes a custom domain name) and use GetSimple as the basis for your site (which can be installed from the DreamHost panel). Email costs a little more though.

A domain name typically costs less than USD$20 per year, with some top-level domains (like .online or .xyz) being only a few dollars per year. There are lots of ways to set up a site with a free subdomain (yoursite.hostingprovider.com) if cost is a barrier, but buying your own makes for a shorter and cleaner website name, and you can take it with you if you want to change your hosting. Most companies that offer domain registration will offer hosting as well, and they sometimes bundle them (a low-cost plan on DreamHost includes one domain name for free). Owning your own domain name usually means you have more options for setting up email as well.

For hosting, there are lots of free and easy options that others have mentioned (github pages, etc). Typical low-cost plans from many dedicated hosting companies are around USD$5 per month. Paying for hosting gives you more options for what you can do with your site--if you want WordPress, for example, github pages won't be a hosting option. I've had a great experience with DreamHost, and BlueHost is a solid option as well.

Finally, generating the pages is its own challenge, and there are some wildly different ways of doing it. As others mentioned, I would avoid anything with a database if you can (WordPress being the big one). If you want a blog-ish type of site, I recommend GetSimple (I've had a few non-technical friends who were very happy with it). Or you can use a static site generator, though the workflow for many of those is often not as easy in my experience. Or if you're feeling plucky, you can write the pages in HTML, CSS, and JS, and/or throw some PHP in there. I use skeleton for my site.

[-] sbv@sh.itjust.works 5 points 11 months ago

Is a hosted site like Medium or WordPress an option?

[-] PupBiru@kbin.social 4 points 11 months ago

wordpress is only low maintenance if you don’t care about or are ignorant to security

[-] sbv@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago

Doesn't hosted WordPress auto-update at this point?

[-] PupBiru@kbin.social 2 points 11 months ago

zero days and all sorts of things don’t get fixed in updates… the fact that the software with the security issue has access to write to disk in a manner that can be executed is also a huge problem

[-] ALostInquirer@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago

Yeah! Although, from personal experience reading blogs on Medium, it wouldn't be my first choice simply due to its pushiness to sign up/subscribe to some of the blogs there.

I never read from any one source there consistently enough to remember if that's a general platform element or only partnered/select blog element, and I feel like others unfamiliar with it may feel similar.

[-] sbv@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 months ago

That's totally understandable.

I self hosted a blog for a while. Tweaking it was fun, but eventually the novelty wore off. If I ever do it again, I'd probably use something hosted so I spend more time on the content instead of the back end.

[-] Toes@ani.social 4 points 11 months ago
[-] umulu@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Or WordPress

[-] AngryDemonoid@lemmy.lylapol.com 4 points 11 months ago

Another vote for a static site generator. I use Publii on Cloudflare Pages. I switched from Wordpress, and I find the maintenance significantly easier.

[-] Routhinator@startrek.website 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

If you are looking for true low maintenance, avoid needing a DB. So I'd stay away from the WordPress suggestions. Not to mention keeping WordPress CVE free is often a full time job and the opposite of low maintenance.

I'd use one of the many tools out there that takes Markdown and coverts it to HTML, stick that in a basic CI job on Gitlab or Github to build out my HTML and I just write markdown.

Once that's in place how I would decide if I wanted a custom domain.

If I don't need a custom domain, then I can just augment the pipeline to publish to Gitlab/Github pages.

If I want a custom domain then it depends on budget and expected traffic, but I'd likely just put it on an ECS container or in an S3 bucket and shove cloudfront in front of it, because if it's small enough it will likely qualify for free tier AWS. If it's too big for free tier then I'd stick with a container but likely either put it on a cheap cloud node with Apache and letsencrypt and one of the smaller providers like Linode/DO/Vultr

[-] theherk@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

ECS would also incur either Fargate or ECS, and S3 + Cloudfront, while robust is definitely not very simple. I’m not saying it is hard, just complex.

Your Github / Gitlab Pages solution is a great idea… even if you want to use custom domain. They both support it.

[-] Routhinator@startrek.website 1 points 11 months ago

Yeah fair, I think of them as simple.. Guess I've been in the trenches too long 😂

[-] ALostInquirer@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago

Appreciate the breakdown! Ngl though you lost me at the end with the ECS container/S3 bucket stuff (as in, I dunno what ECS is, I think S3 bucket may be something akin to a VPS? but yeah), but that may just be an indicator it's much more than I'd probably need/want for my interests.

[-] Routhinator@startrek.website 2 points 11 months ago

Ah sorry, I'm an SRE/Devops guy professionally so I forget that containers are still way out of folks experience range 😅

[-] Taringano@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago

I use Netlify. I'm not a technical person.

[-] thelastknowngod@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago

When you have it built, throw it in a container and run it in Lambda. You'll be able to run it anywhere if you package as a container.

[-] lwuy9v5@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

that feels WAY over complicated

[-] thelastknowngod@lemm.ee 0 points 11 months ago
[-] key@lemmy.keychat.org 2 points 11 months ago

Sticking to AWS, you can host static content direct in S3. Just need a bucket and DNS CNAME.

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